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05-17-2013, 12:18 PM | #11 |
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05-17-2013, 12:20 PM | #12 |
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Okay, retyping because I was all over the place in my original post.
This clip is going to empower both sides of the argument. Those who can't see that there's more to this than money are ONLY going to focus on the money comments made in the clip, because Jeffrey repeatidly states that Saban is worth 3.4 billion dollars. That's the unfortunate part about the clip because to those with heads who can't see logic are going to totally look past all the VALID, LOGICAL points Karen and Jeffrey made and focus only on the parts where they discuss how little the actors were paid in the beginning (and currently I might add). On the other hand, a major kudos to Karen Ashley for coming out and saying what she said. Haim Saban and the production company with Saban Brands in charge of Power Rangers have totally mucked up Super Megaforce and RUINED a great 20th Anniversary season. To treat the actors of the last 20 seasons the way that the production team treated them, even by doing invitations and then never getting back in touch, and never replying to people who rejected, is unprofessional in the highest calibur. It's becoming more clear to me just how much Saban cares about the fans of the show (not the little kids, but the older fans) ... and it's coming across loud and clear that he DOESN'T care about us. He DOESN'T care about the actors that work on his show. How can he, when he doesn't even know which actors are playing which characters? In the end, looks like the only one who doesn't care is Haim Saban. NOTE: The only part I took offense in is when Jeffrey referred to the people unhappy that Karen and the others aren't attending as "kids without jobs who probably still live at home in their parents' basement". There's really no need to be inflammatory when you're trying to quell a rather incinderary situation in the first place.
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05-17-2013, 12:22 PM | #13 |
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Okay, retyping because I was all over the place in my original post.
This clip is going to empower both sides of the argument. Those who can't see that there's more to this than money are ONLY going to focus on the money comments made in the clip, because Jeffrey repeatidly states that Saban is worth 3.4 billion dollars. That's the unfortunate part about the clip because to those with heads who can't see logic are going to totally look past all the VALID, LOGICAL points Karen and Jeffrey made and focus only on the parts where they discuss how little the actors were paid in the beginning (and currently I might add). On the other hand, a major kudos to Karen Ashley for coming out and saying what she said. Haim Saban and the production company with Saban Brands in charge of Power Rangers have totally mucked up Super Megaforce and RUINED a great 20th Anniversary season. To treat the actors of the last 20 seasons the way that the production team treated them, even by doing invitations and then never getting back in touch, and never replying to people who rejected, is unprofessional in the highest calibur. It's becoming more clear to me just how much Saban cares about the fans of the show (not the little kids, but the older fans) ... and it's coming across loud and clear that he DOESN'T care about us. He DOESN'T care about the actors that work on his show. How can he, when he doesn't even know which actors are playing which characters? In the end, looks like the only one who doesn't care is Haim Saban. NOTE: The only part I took offense in is when Jeffrey referred to the people unhappy that Karen and the others aren't attending as "kids without jobs who probably still live at home in their parents' basement". There's really no need to be inflammatory when you're trying to quell a rather incinderary situation in the first place. Also, there's no need to be inflammatory either, when you're already pretty much winning the argument anyway. |
05-17-2013, 12:23 PM | #14 |
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It started out as the other guy (I'm sorry I don't know his name) mentioning that Karan should explain exactly what a cameo is, which is a few minutes on-screen time with little to no lines whatsoever.
It's pretty much Karan saying that she was pretty excited to go, but when it came down to it, based on her own personal life and her business, she would lose money over the deal. She said for five days, they would get paid for two, and those two days weren't worth it. She went on to say that working on Power Rangers was an opportunity, even though the actors weren't paid enough and she felt (as do many of the other actors) that if you're going to be making so much money off this, that the time/money ratio should be more worthwhile (paraphrased.) She also said that a few of the actors were gung ho, excited about going and were on board, regardless, and the casting department never responded back. A few members of the production company even had personal contact with the actors, saying that it was "great to have them back" only to reject them weeks later. I wasn't 100% sure on this, but I do believe that the actors waited and waited and finally touched base with Saban (the production crew) to find out the definitive answer if they were accepted to go back or not, not Saban letting the actors know, the way it should be. Karan also mentioned that if they had ten or so hand-picked that they wanted, why invite everyone? Instead, just go for the ones you want, and if they can't do it, go down the list. She said pretty much everyone got a message about doing the cameo, (those that could be reached) and it was all the same generic letter that we've seen. Karan spoke about her role on the movie, and how at it's red carpet debut, she stepped out of the limo and saw Haim Saban. She greeted him and he didn't even really know who she was, which led into the fact that it was never about the actors, but the toys and the money that Saban makes and they could easily be replaced. Apparently this was a common threat on set. Lastly, the thing I was happy to hear the most, is that Karan took a stand. She was more or less thankful for her time as a Power Ranger, but for the people who say that they should do it regardless, for the fans and forget the money, (since it's only a "few episodes", which according to her it's not even that) that she does so much for the fans already (including that radio show) and that the fans stating such things need to realize that life and priorites come first (again, paraphrased). One of them, either the gentleman (who is pretty upset to the fans that want the actors to come back regardless) or Karan stated that those fans should be ashamed of themselves. All in all, I agreed with everything she stated and it was what has been stated all along, but in further detail (and colorful metaphors, by the gentleman though) and it gave us fans a bit of light into the real world of being a Power Ranger. After all, this is the real world, where superheroes don't actually exist and no one owes anyone anything, especially if they already do so much as it is. PS: She also touched on David Yost quite a bit, saying he was bullying and called a "faggot" on set quite often. He's starting to realize that his fans do love him though and that's why he's doing more con appearances, but all the money he gets from those cons, has gone to charity. All of it. So, for people to think that Yost should go back, for the fans, after those conditions should also be ashamed of themselves as well. At some point, the fans have to say "is it worth it for the actor." Did you listen to the whole thing? And the public eye thing is BS. Power Rangers isn't relevant except for it's adult fanbase and the kids. It won't land them any acting careers, especially if the role is just a cameo role. EDIT: I also agree with Kickback. Co-host was a bit rude, but the point is valid. He's angry for Karan, and rightfully so. |
05-17-2013, 01:18 PM | #15 |
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I really don't fault any cast members that can't afford to make an appearance. It makes sense for people to take the financially safer option for them, and if they don't want to risk their jobs that does NOT mean they hate the fans.
I know you don't mean to offend anyone by this, but I think it's preferable to say "sexual orientation" as opposed to "lifestyle" since the latter term implies it's a conscious choice. But I agree with you that this 20th anniversary is sounding like a big disappointment! |
05-17-2013, 02:09 PM | #16 |
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I'm glad she finally came out and laid it down for everyone. It really is just awful how Saban treated, and still treats, these people. It's really kind of clouded my opinion on Ranger series, to think that Disney was honestly being more fair and respectful towards the actors than Saban. (if Bridge's actor is to be believed, which I don't see why not)
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05-17-2013, 02:27 PM | #17 |
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She pretty much said EXACTLY what I said in the thread that got closed. The same people who are bitching about them not doing the reunion would be bitching when they only get a 15 second shot of the character from the neck up.
Think of the money saban has likely made off of the legacy toys and tell me how Rhett "wasn't in the budget" straight BS |
05-17-2013, 03:38 PM | #18 |
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This whole thing sounds like an epic pile of shit. I wonder if this will effect the profitability of Power Rangers in the long run.
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05-17-2013, 03:42 PM | #19 |
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I'm glad she finally came out and laid it down for everyone. It really is just awful how Saban treated, and still treats, these people. It's really kind of clouded my opinion on Ranger series, to think that Disney was honestly being more fair and respectful towards the actors than Saban. (if Bridge's actor is to be believed, which I don't see why not)
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05-17-2013, 05:55 PM | #20 |
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I'm glad she put some context to what's been going on. It's a shame and the fans and the actors deserve better.
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