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03-31-2020, 05:56 PM | #1 |
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* The protagonist that shares "Taro" in their name (Shotaro and Gentaro). Even Philip point this out in team up movie between Fourze and OOO. * A deuteragonist (Philip/Kengo) is more important than the protagonist as both of them are connected with the big bad (Ryubee being Philip’s father and Gamou being friend of Kengo’s father) * Secondary rider (Ryu/Ryusei) that not only shares "Ryu" in their name but start off as anti-heroes with a personal reason of becoming a rider (Ryu’s family was killed by Weather Dopant and Ryusei’s friend was hospitalized from using Zodiarts switch) and is aides by a mysterious masked mentor (Shroud/Tachibana) who turn out to have a connection with the deuteragonist (Shroud being Philip’s mom and Tachibana being friend of Kengo’s father). * The deuteragonist turn out to be somewhat construct of collectible devices (Philip being an avatar of Gaia’s memories and Kengo being a Core child) and both of them dies in 1 episode before the final episode which they were revived by antagonists (Wakana sacrifices her body to bring Philip back and Gamou uses his power to recreating Core Switch in order to resurrecting Kengo) * An antagonist (Kirihiko/Sarina) get betrayed by the organization they work for and made their last appearance in the 18th episode of the show. * Both summer movies have the civilians/students cheering the main rider and they gains a new form in order to defeat the main antagonist (Eternal/Kyodain) Wow! Did the head writer of Fourze literally copy and paste Double to Fourze and this head writer is the one who wrote Gurren Lagann and Kill la Kill? (BTW, Riku Sanjo wasn’t the head writer of Fourze as Kazuki Nakashima is the head writer of Fourze) Last edited by vin13ish; 03-31-2020 at 06:00 PM.. |
03-31-2020, 06:08 PM | #2 |
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All of those are either common tropes or very minor random details. W and Fourze, while following similar episodic formulas and sharing similar morals; are ultimately very different shows.
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03-31-2020, 07:33 PM | #3 |
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All Kamen Riders are ripping off Kamen Rider, let's finally admit it. I mean, masks? Riders? Motorcycles? Fighting monsters? Justice? So derivative! Every hero is exactly Takeshi Hongo with no changes! Nothing that makes them unique! THIS FRANCHISE IS UNACKNOWLEDGED PLAGIARISM!
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03-31-2020, 08:26 PM | #4 |
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Nah, Rider just went through a very formulaic period in the early '10s.
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03-31-2020, 08:33 PM | #5 |
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I'm actually gonna back vin13ish up on this a bit!
I mean, calling it a "ripoff" like it's a bad thing, that I disagree with, but Double and Fourze actually have a ton of common DNA. Way more than like, Double and Wizard have, for example. Nakashima wrote one arc of Double for one thing, but Riku Sanjou actually wrote a ton of Fourze, so just on that level, the shows are tied together. Sanjou also seemed to deliberately use the similar setup of the Dopants and Zodiarts to further explore concepts from Double, including stuff like writing the arc about a former Zodiart going through withdrawal. I honestly do think Fourze was making a more conscious effort than usual to lean into what made Double such a success.
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03-31-2020, 09:59 PM | #6 |
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Fish Sandwich, sliding in with the On The Contrary!
(I tease! It's fun to have a debate about this stuff! That was interesting information! I'm just being a small amount of a jerk, as a treat.)
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03-31-2020, 10:53 PM | #7 |
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All Kamen Riders are ripping off Kamen Rider, let's finally admit it. I mean, masks? Riders? Motorcycles? Fighting monsters? Justice? So derivative! Every hero is exactly Takeshi Hongo with no changes! Nothing that makes them unique! THIS FRANCHISE IS UNACKNOWLEDGED PLAGIARISM!
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03-31-2020, 11:24 PM | #8 |
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I only disagree cause it feels like it would be comparing Sherlock and Riverdale setup-wise.
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03-31-2020, 11:35 PM | #9 |
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To get this thread back on topic, I don't know that I agree with a lot of the OP's assertions (they all seem minor at best and misrepresentative at worst), and I'd never use the word "rip-off", but there's one key thing that I think has some similarities. The way the Gaia Memories and Astroswitches work, it's got that same vibe, for sure. A villain gives it to a victim, they wreak havoc, and the Rider has to solve the victim's core dysfunction in order to keep them alive. The collectible becomes not just a problem to overcome, but a way into exploring a new character, of expressing their dilemma. It's different from, say, Ex-Aid or Wizard, where a victim is just a victim. With Double and Fourze, the victim is the monster is the victim. It's (to my mind) fairly unique to those two shows.
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04-01-2020, 10:25 PM | #10 |
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To be honest, Fourze has enough major differences from W that calling it a rip-off sounds ridiculous to me. Especially since most of the similarities the OP pointed out are either common tropes that a lot of Rider shows have (Den-O literally had a whole group called "the Taros" because all their names ended in -taro, including the main rider) or are just very superficial.
The monster also being the victim is a very interesting element, to be sure, and I did like the way both shows handled that. OOO did something similar with the Yummies, even though the victim didn't always physically transform into one, they were still acting on the victim's desires. It was an interesting three years in Kamen Rider, where it wasn't just about beating up the monster but about dealing with the problem the monster represented. Gaim, Build and Zero-One also have monsters that were transformed from victims, but since the victim had no control over what the monster did, it didn't really have the same narrative impact. And Drive had a couple monsters that were transformed from humans and acted on the human's will, but they weren't shown as victims, only as villains (to be fair, W and Fourze also had plenty of Dopants and Zodiarts who were purely villains, but also some who were sympathetic villains and some who were purely victims, which Drive never had). I guess another interesting connection you could draw between W and Fourze is the theme on connections between people. W puts a lot of focus on the partnership between Shotaro and Phillip, while Fourze is all about the friendship between Gentaro and... well, everybody really, but especially the rest of the Kamen Rider Club. Again, I think OOO is part of that trend too, with how central the relationship between Eiji and Ankh was to the story. |
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