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04-15-2019, 06:04 AM | #41 |
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It's super wonky in places but I think I'm plenty happy and satisfied with it. Ditto to just about everything Shyguy said.
I hope there are a few more, or even one more Rider Time specials after this though. Both Shinobi and this have been really fun little side things to Zi-O that I'd really welcome even more. |
04-15-2019, 09:11 AM | #42 |
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I also felt like Odin's inclusion was really forced and unnecessary, which is unfortunate because Odin is so cool and I was hoping to see him effectively utilized. But he just felt shoehorned in with no explanation and his presence only served to make things more confusing, especially since he says Yui's name as he disappears. The only thing that would make sense of that is if he's a Kanzaki puppet again, but then that doesn't make sense within either the story of this special or the context of the original season's ending. So it just really didn't work at all.
Still, it's better this time Inoue was messing up a mini-series than the main sow itself like what happened with Decade, where four episodes which should have been critical to the show ended up pointless since Inoue was basically just writing his own standalone stories and didn't care about the series in general. |
04-15-2019, 11:32 AM | #43 |
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It made sense why Odin could not beat Zi-O and Geiz.
Zi-O: He's the King of Time, he could easily taken on Odin's Time Vent. Plus, his future self is basically a God. Geiz: A God Killer. Remember, Geiz Revive. Odin: If he is Shiro, Shiro doesn't have any actual combat experience. |
04-15-2019, 08:18 PM | #44 |
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It made sense why Odin could not beat Zi-O and Geiz.
Zi-O: He's the King of Time, he could easily taken on Odin's Time Vent. Plus, his future self is basically a God. Geiz: A God Killer. Remember, Geiz Revive. Odin: If he is Shiro, Shiro doesn't have any actual combat experience.
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04-15-2019, 09:48 PM | #45 |
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I liked it. The ending was very Toshiki Inoue, but the pathos actually landed this time. I can't imagine we'll ever get another Ryuki story after this, but I wouldn't mind seeing the characters again. In fact, part of me is really tempted to watch the original series again.
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04-16-2019, 12:52 AM | #46 |
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wow that's quite dark for an ending.
The original Ryuki was dark but ended with everyone being alive and forgetting the battle royale. Then a 15 years celebration happens, a guy hit a woman with his car, and suddenly everyone but Shinji is dead. |
04-16-2019, 05:53 AM | #47 |
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Too bad they weren't able to get back the original actors for Eri and Kenzaki to make a cameo since they intended to use them for this special. Oh well. Still enjoyed this special.
I liked the little joke they had of Shinji mistaking Geiz fo Ren, a nice nod to what everyone's been saying about the two looking a lot like each other.
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04-16-2019, 08:17 AM | #48 |
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Or maybe cos he lost the Rekka and Shippu Survive Cards cos Zi-O and Geiz used the Ryuki and Knight Ridewatches which created manifestations of Ryuki and Knight Survive. Plus Geiz isn't a God Killer. Not once has he killed a "god". Plus Geiz Revive is more likely to kill him than a god.
In Ryuki, the whole Rider War was rigged from the beginning. Shiro already has an all powerful rider to deal with any threats to his goals. And to be perfectly honest, he has zero combat experience. All the Odins so far were brainwashed puppets of his. While Odin is strong but compared to Zi-O and Geiz, he is no match since both of them are Time Based Riders and both of them are skilled with Zi-O being naturally gifted since he was kid and Geiz was fighting against a God. |
04-28-2019, 08:06 PM | #49 |
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So I waited to watch this and Shinobi until all three parts were out, and I have to say, I vastly preferred the continuing adventures of Starninger to this... well, "travesty" is definitely too harsh. Let's see here...
It's like, taken at face value, it's a solid and intriguing plot that keeps up a good sense of tension and has some interesting characters, but it has the problem that these are allegedly supposed to be the characters from Kamen Rider Ryuki. I don't know what the hell it is with Inoue, because the episodes of the actual show he wrote are fine, but between this, Episode Final, and 13 Riders, I've come to the conclusion I like this guy a lot more when he's writing his own characters. Like, could we have gotten Rider Time: Agito instead? Or actual closure on Faiz already? Ryuki is the show that made me a Rider fan, and will always hold an extremely special place in my heart, which is why it pained me so much how little this special did for me in spite of all the legitimate qualities it has. It probably doesn't help that Raia has always been my favorite Rider from that show, so seeing him here... yeah. Look, even if I wanted to, I couldn't pretend being heterosexual was some iconic part of his personality, so in of itself that part is not a problem. What is a problem, is that being gay was also never a character trait he displayed. Nor was he untrustworthy, murderous, or literally anything he's shown to be in these three episodes, and that gets to the crux of the issue I have with this whole endeavor: What's the point of any of this? I think I remember a thread a few years back asking about what a hypothetical Ryuki reunion special would be like, and if I remember correctly, I basically just asked "Why?", because that's what it comes down to. Was this a story that let us see the characters we know and love back in action again? No, because thanks to the convenient excuse of amnesia, most of them are varying degrees of different, and none of them get to do anything particularly exciting. Honestly, try looking at how pathetic Odin was here and telling me that's accurate. There's not a single cool moment I can remember from this having just watched it, and dozens I can remember from the show I've only seen in full 8 freakin' years ago. Was this a story that expanded the narrative and themes of the original show? Absolutely not. The plot serves as something of an epilogue to Ryuki, yeah, but it's not meaningfully connected in any way, and despite having Another Ryuki be a sort of parallel to Kanzaki, they don't explore any of this stuff. The deepest this thing got was "people fighting can be a real downer", something that was already long established by all the Ryuki material we already have. So what does it have to offer? A largely pointless tie-in to Zi-O? They even messed that up by having Geiz mention how Another Ryuki can't be beaten because he's got Mirror World powers, but... Zi-O II? Haven't you guys already done this before if you know who Shinji is? Or do Sougo and Geiz ALSO have convenient amnesia? I just... I usually stick up for Inoue more than most, but despite plenty of interesting ideas and well-executed scenes like Shinji and Ren's final conversation, this whole thing left me totally cold. I guess it does its job as a nostalgic trip back to Ryuki, but it all comes off too superficial for my tastes. As someone who actually is hugely nostalgic for this show, I didn't feel like it captured anything about it I liked. Arguably it captures the spirit of stuff like 13 Riders, but all that would mean is that it's a shallow, heartless recreation of something way better.
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