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06-20-2022, 10:07 PM | #81 |
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Episode 4!
-Kids can be so damn cruel, man. I can't imagine living a life where everyone reminds me that my dad was might've been behind a major tradegy, how awful.. -I really do like the robo-animals being used for combat (Falcon attacking the Magia, Grasshopper putting distance between them and the rampaging Humagears so Anna and Gou can get moving) I mean, if you're gonna have an over-the-top transformation sequence, might as well make it have useful effects, right? -Not much to say, I also didn't particularly like this episode very much. This might be one of the first examples of Zero One's very....Interesting ways to tackling certain things. It's one thing to have an episode to have a child of the week episode where the kid and our heroes learn a moral or something about uncovering the truth, and another to showcase a bit deeper how terribly twisted Fuwa's mindset has become by his trauma, but mashing them in a story together where there's zero pushback to Fuwa's mad ramblings *to a child* to where he's "in the right" because Hiden was hiding shit all along? I don't know if I like that. It's not like Episode 2, where you can see both the kernels of potenial truth in what Fuwa says while also the show clearly establishing the guy's kinda off his rocker. Here, Fuwa's advice is played a little too straight for my taste in this ep. |
06-20-2022, 10:14 PM | #82 |
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I really do like the robo-animals being used for combat (Falcon attacking the Magia, Grasshopper putting distance between them and the rampaging Humagears so Anna and Gou can get moving) I mean, if you're gonna have an over-the-top transformation sequence, might as well make it have useful effects, right?
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06-20-2022, 11:36 PM | #83 |
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I don't really feel like there was some anti-moral promoted through Fuwa in this episode. Not that his outlook or personality is totally positive or healthy, but his unwavering belief and conviction is who the character is and how he approaches problems, and sometimes when applied right (like believing in the real truth no matter what anyone says) it can make the difference between giving up and succeeding.
I feel like it's in-character for Aruto to reveal himself to Fuwa like this even if it felt like they were setting up a slower burn on that, especially in episode 2. But I guess now they can just let things play out with more out in the open. Flying Falcon! Honestly I just like the form because it flies and that's pretty atypical for a base form. But I hope you watched Zero-One's appearance in Over-Quartzer in-case you wanted to see what it's Finisher is like. But Punching Kong really is just awesome and fits Fuwa surprisingly well (so much so they pretty much point it out). Also, Rocket Punch Finisher! Rocket Punch Finisher! I really like the tour guide in this episode because she has such a simple role and job as a Humagear but she's so dedicated to it that she goes along with this mission because she has to know and in the end is able to fight the hacking in order to reveal the truth and fulfill her mission. Which Fuwa pretty much ignores to harp on the cover-up and the truth, but that made sense coming from him. |
06-20-2022, 11:43 PM | #84 |
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I don't really feel like there was some anti-moral promoted through Fuwa in this episode. Not that his outlook or personality is totally positive or healthy, but his unwavering belief and conviction is who the character is and how he approaches problems, and sometimes when applied right (like believing in the real truth no matter what anyone says) it can make the difference between giving up and succeeding.
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06-21-2022, 01:07 AM | #85 |
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Two things, before I go to bed:
1) I really love the dumb wordplay of the company that may've created sentient robots being called Hiden Intelligence. Like, hidden intelligence. It's such a dumb joke, and I like to imagine that it's a Hiden family trait. 2) Can we please talk about how the Progrise Keys are created in the exact same prop where Misora purified the FullBottles in Build? How this show reused the Making Collectibles prop from two years ago as the Making Collectibles prop for their own?
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06-21-2022, 03:07 AM | #86 |
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So first off with the random trivia.
The kid is this episode was previously kid!Takeru in Ghost. What is it with him and dead dads? (Though he was also in a Wizard two-parter as the son of a Gate…) The mysterious Kamen Rider is suit-acted by Seiji Taikawa. This is because the producer wanted him to be the final boss, no matter how the plot progressed (kind of like how Gaim was always going to come down to Kouta vs Kaito and how it was always going to end with whoever won that fight still losing something important) to cement Yuya Nawata as his successor. But since Taikawa didn’t WANT a successor, he suggested someone else audition for Saber’s leading suit actor. The Onycho Magia is based on the Onychonycteris, an ancestor of bats. Among the companies on the map of Daybreak Town are Hiden Intelligence, ZAIA Enterprise, JEE.net, Bell A Co., Ltd, Future Co., Ltd, Aimy Corporation, Fly Second Corporation, Frontier Media, Hibiki Data Wave, Take Innovation, Hiiryu System Technology, System Engineer Co., Ltd and Nano MIRAI. One of these will be important later. And now for the hypothetical form. Progrise: Gouwan Gougou! (Left hand rumbling)Punching Kong! Enough power to annihilate a mountain. And both the keys that were prominent this week got Legend Rider remixes. Eyecon Kaigan! GoGoGoing Ghost! Fight with the power of heroic souls. Fight with sound! Drumming Hibiki! A demon warrior who is always training. Last edited by Androzani84; 06-22-2022 at 06:58 AM.. |
06-21-2022, 05:19 AM | #87 |
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06-21-2022, 09:11 AM | #88 |
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Viewers would be often more focused on their favorite characters, but of course that's something really subjective in general (and this is a secondary Rider for what you talk about here, but even more if the favorite is villains like Kuroto for Ex-Aid). While viewers may be focused on seeing how the favorite character performs, it won't change who's the actual protagonist, which is something objective. Also you reminded me well than him breaking open Progrise Keys also actually had a relation to his personality of being anti-technology, at least Humagears.
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The problem is, both of those lessons are filtered through the prism of Fuwa?s experiences, and it takes them to such an insane level that they start to become cautionary tales. The whole idea of Fuwa telling this kid to not believe his dad caused a tragedy ? this is Fuwa telling a child to hold onto his rage and never stop blaming someone else for what might just be a tragic accident. Fuwa is telling this kid that, no matter what anyone else says, the Humagears are responsible for his dad?s death. The fact that Fuwa turns out to be right in this one instance (sort of, but we?ll get to that) doesn?t alter the fact that we?re watching a story where Fuwa teaches a child that there?s always someone to blame when anything hurts you. That?s? I don?t love that message! I thought the road trip to the submerged ruins of Daybreak was a good way to provide exposition on the lore in an intriguing and thrilling way, while showing that there are different shades to the truth, with Aruto making his point by rejecting Izu's advice to keep his identity secret, since he believes he can't truly be trusted as a president if he doesn't trust others in exchange. He helps to uncover Hiden Intelligence's involvement in Daybreak so he can get Isamu on his side and prove that he can be trusted. I think that mix of being open to new ideas and asserting your own balances out and gives Isamu a pretty complex moral for him to contemplate. Quote:
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I don?t like the Zero-One form changes, either? The contrasting red and COLOR are unpleasant, visually. I can appreciate how the Rising Hopper mask splits and spins around to give some height to the back of Zero-One?s helmet, but it also gives him two faces on each side of his head, like the Another Double suit got stripped for parts. I just? I do not like the whole folding-back part to the form changes. Seeing bits of Rising Hopper hanging around, fluorescent and unmissable? It just doesn?t work for me, aesthetically.
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The premise here is that you need to have faith in the people you care about, even if everyone's against you. Additionally, we're in a story about how finding out the truth can be difficult to handle, but it's better than settling for an easy lie. Both solid lessons. Quote:
The problem is, both of those lessons are filtered through the prism of Fuwa's experiences, and it takes them to such an insane level that they start to become cautionary tales. The whole idea of Fuwa telling this kid to not believe his dad caused a tragedy ? this is Fuwa telling a child to hold onto his rage and never stop blaming someone else for what might just be a tragic accident. Fuwa is telling this kid that, no matter what anyone else says, the Humagears are responsible for his dad's death. The fact that Fuwa turns out to be right in this one instance (sort of, but we'll get to that) doesn't alter the fact that we're watching a story where Fuwa teaches a child that there's always someone to blame when anything hurts you. That's? I don't love that message!
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And the other one, about searching for the truth? it?s noble, and I like Aruto's version of it okay. It's more about corporate responsibility, and respecting your customers more than your shareholders. Protecting The Company should never take precedence over Protecting Your Customers. But the Fuwa side of this works as a reckless insistence that the truth is always being hidden, if it?s not what you wanted to hear. That's, y'know, fine if you want to tell a story that exposes Fuwa's worldview as one that?ll never offer him any solace, but here it's all just him being dead-on right that Hiden was covering up what happened in Daybreak Town. The lesson, in all cases, is that Fuwa's worldview is right.
(To be fair, Fuwa does learn a lesson about Aruto's trustworthiness, and the fact that MetsubouJinrai was behind the destruction of the town. It's not some huge change in his attitude, but it's a nice button on an episode that sees Fuwa acknowledge Aruto's good intentions as Kamen Rider Zero-One.) Quote:
Even without the upsetting inability to really interrogate how inappropriate it is for a vengeance-crazed gun-nut to be imparting wisdom in a disaster zone to a bullied child, this episode exposition-dense structure didn't leave enough else to really enjoy. Izu's barely in it. Yua shows up to deliver a collectible and say, basically, This Thing I'm Helping You Do Is Enormously Unsafe. The Flying Falcon fight does not have my favorite effects. Anna the Bus Guide is a neat idea, but she doesn't really have an arc to speak of. (No time!) It's? this whole episode is trying to deliver relevant background, which is fine, but it's dressed up in nothing but a vaguely repellant Fuwa story. (I genuinely don't understand how the only lesson that you can have Fuwa learn in this story is I Was Not Lied To In The Exact Manner I Was Expecting. There are? there are a lot of things Fuwa needs to learn! That is not one of them!)
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I don't like the Zero-One form changes, either? The contrasting red and COLOR are unpleasant, visually. I can appreciate how the Rising Hopper mask splits and spins around to give some height to the back of Zero-One?s helmet, but it also gives him two faces on each side of his head, like the Another Double suit got stripped for parts. I just? I do not like the whole folding-back part to the form changes. Seeing bits of Rising Hopper hanging around, fluorescent and unmissable? It just doesn't work for me, aesthetically.
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06-21-2022, 10:15 AM | #90 |
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But the problem with this story is that Fuwa's incredibly unhealthy worldview -- which I think is moderately well established by this episode? -- is treated as helpful advice for a child who is getting bullied. There's a huge difference between Search For The Truth and Ignore Any Evidence You Dislike, or between Believe In The People You Love and Find Someone To Blame, but this episode never really digs into any of that. They just let Fuwa take some anxious child on an absolutely dreadful Big Brother outing, and then treat it all as a heroic lesson in perseverance. That seems like a weird thing to do?
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The mysterious Kamen Rider is suit-acted by Seiji Taikawa. This is because the producer wanted him to be the final boss, no matter how the plot progressed (kind of like how Gaim was always going to come down to Kouta vs Kaito and how it was always going to end with whoever won that fight still losing something important) to cement Yuya Takahashi as his successor. But since Taikawa didn?t WANT a successor, he suggested someone else audition for Saber?s leading suit actor.
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The Onycho Magia is based on the Onychonycteris, an ancestor of bats.
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Of course, I don't literally deny Kamen Rider Zero One being the protagonist of Kamen Rider Zero One, even though there are others I've seen who will. Actually, I also get annoyed hearing people casually deny guys like Shinji and Tendo, due to them not being conventional enough, so maybe I should have phrased it better. If Isamu was hogging the screen and taking focus away from Aruto, then yeah, that would suck. I appreciate how the show makes time for both of them, since their characters shine brightest in contrast to each other.
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Strong disagree here. Flying Falcon is my overall favorite form of Zero One and it's rare for me to say that about a basic form change! It was a curse for me back when the show was airing, due to [spoiler]. As a consolation, it got to be one of his five playable forms in Memory of Heroez and I'm pretty sure I mentioned how much I loved it in DS' thread for that game. I think the yellow and pink are a striking combination of bright colors, the design is elegant, the name is alliterative and the fighting style is enjoyable to watch!
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