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Actually though, when I wrote that thread for Ghost, I skimped on talking about the final episode because I couldn't figure out how to properly articulate how great I thought Takeru's big speech at the end was, but I think I'm ready to try now. Basically, it's this: http://i.imgur.com/7QbB7hG.jpg This one line sums up everything that makes Ghost my straight up, no kidding favorite Rider show. Let's be clear about this, I do not think it's one of the best shows. While I may constantly stick up for its quality, there are at least a half-dozen other series I would easily put above it. Series with more solid plots and pacing. Series with better direction and action. Series with more developed side characters. Series with stronger last thirds. So on and so forth. But Ghost does one thing better than any other series I've ever seen, and that's the messages. For all its faults, it's a show positively dripping with substance, and a depth that puts a lot of other shows to shame. I know a lot of people found the constant platitudes hollow, but I could not possibly disagree more. Ghost was a show that, even at its very worst, was always interested in teaching its viewer something. It was a show all about how simply being alive, in of itself, was a truly wonderful, profoundly meaningful thing. How no matter who you are, the fact that you exist is something to be cherished. How our differences as people can, instead of pushing us apart, make us stronger as individuals. How our experiences with one another pass on to create something far bigger than us. Something that lives on long after we're each gone. That's what makes Ghost so special to me. It took what could be considered fairly standard morals and emphasized them in a way that made the whole thing feel fresh. Almost every aspect of the show was set up to cater to those themes. The reason historical figures are Ghost's main form of power up is because they're people whose legacy transcends their deaths. The reason Mugen works the way it does is to show how important it is to empathize with others. The very reason the show is about a dead guy is because the show is about life. I could go on, but suffice it to say, because of all of those things, Ghost easily overcomes its flaws in my mind. It's something that will stick with me way more than a lot of far better shows because I really connected with its message. One that, in my book, for however saccharine or cheesy it may sound, is something to take to heart. So yeah, how's that for controversial? I think my cards are thoroughly on the table at this point. I'm probably going to be embarassed I even posted this but hey, it's how I feel. Hopefully you can all forgive me for being genuinely touched by the worst show in Rider history. Don't worry, I'll go back to making dumb posts about Wizard or whatever soon enough. :p |
I couldn't finish the first episode of Kabuto.
The adding of many forms and power-ups keeps new episodes fresh by adding more elements to the fights. |
I actually love all the gimmicks and power-ups in Kamen Rider, makes all the Riders feel more unique to me.
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Ohhh boy, let's get crackin!
-I think Ichijou from Kuuga is the best non-rider character ever. On the other hand, I think Godai fell a little bit flat. -Agito is so boringgggg, I could barely get through watching its barely progressing mess of a plot. Also all the bad camera filters were terrible. -Ren from Ryuki pisses me off. Also the Mirror Monsters never getting explained bothers me more than the retcon ending. -I think Faiz is really good despite being a trainwreck on most levels. Also I think Orphenoch are the coolest looking monsters in the franchise. -I don't like Blade. I thought the ending was good but didn't think it was built up to well at all. Really nothing about it impressed me except Hajime and the suits. -I think Kabuto is really good and don't understand where all the hate comes from. -Den-O wasn't very funny to me. -I like episode 49 of W. -I don't like OOO and Eiji irrationally irritates me. -Fourze is great, although I don't think it's as good the second time. -I feel... really neutral about Wizard?! Everyone either seems to love or hate it and I'm just like "It's fine." -I like Gaim but I think Kouta was a really weak lead and in general the characters were really underdeveloped. Since I'm not allowed to hide... *runs away* |
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What does that mean? Does that mean the shows aren't good? Quote:
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No Kamen Rider series will ever be as good as Hibiki's first 29 episodes.
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Others: -Kamen Rider Heart looks great. Maybe not the best execution of the idea, but the haphazard mixing of monster and the lead's final form is a cool idea, and I love how he manages to look both imposing and ridiculous at the same time. -Also gonna join the Decade love train. I wish the story had been better, but it's so much fun, and it's such a unique idea for a crossover- rather than honoring the past heroes, it's about destroying them (even if it takes a while to get there). That's crazy awesome and I wish they'd committed to it more. -Also with Decade, complaining about the AR world idea is silly, it would be impossible for them to get all the actors back, and it allows them to celebrate the series by experimenting with a different take on them. -The Super Hero Taisen movies are just mindless fun and action, and they don't need to be anything more. -Kamen Rider Taisen gets a way worse rap than it deserves. Don't get me wrong, the ending is phenomenally, brain-shatteringly, apocalyptically stupid, but the movie is really solid up until that, especially for a Taisen movie. I honestly think if the movie just ended right before that, it would be much more well-liked. -With some exceptions (Sports Genmu and Safari Brave), Ex-Aid's suits are fantastic. I can see why you wouldn't like them if you aren't a fan of the over-the-top 90's aesthetic, but the suits really commit to that aesthetic, and I think that commitment helps make it work. -Onari wasn't nearly as bad as Takeru himself was. I agree with parts of Fish's post (and I'm glad you were able to enjoy it, by the way!), but I personally feel like the message of "life is beautiful, let your life burn bright" falls flat when the character always preaching it has no personality. What's the point in letting your life burn bright if you don't have anything unique about you or anything that makes you flawed, you know? Just my opinion. -Not so much a Rider thing as a translation thing, but I like when subbers take a little bit of liberties to make things a little more "Americanized" in their subs, especially in a show like Ex-Aid or Drive where the aesthetic has some notable American influences. There are limits though, Ryoma Warring isn't such a bad translation, but Ornac is awful. EDIT: Also, G deserves to be canon. |
All the evil in Kamen Rider are Gorgom's idea.
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Also Shun Nishime's acting was good. Quote:
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I agree with Sloop and Fish, G deserves to be canon. Nay. It deserves it's own series. At the very least a mini-series.
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Once you get past the rough start, Black RX actually has a lot of good things going on and is a really enjoyable show.
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Ryuki's ending was good, albeit you have to think in more of a meta way about it in order to appreciate it.
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Also I think I have found a controversial opinion of my own: Once I started watching Ex-Aid I lost every single problem I had with the suits beforehand. I like all of them, the crazier and unconventional the better! |
Gaim is the worst Kamen Rider series and Ghost is one of the best.
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The last few Rider series have terrible monster designs, Drive though had great ones.
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-I kinda like the group henshin moments where all we hear is a mishmash of all the different transformation jingles.
-Kiwami Arms was totally fine in terms of being Gaim's final form. -I miss the times when riders at the start of the series already knew what their powers/forms could do like Kabuto, Kiva, or W. -Onari gets way too much hate when there were other members of the ghost cast that literally just stood around and did nothing like Frey/Freya or Narita. |
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TELL MARS HE'S TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT HIS BELIEFS REGARDING KAMEN RIDER. SERIOUSLY, FUCK THAT GUY. Yeah? Well I wouldn't spit in your mouth if you were dying of thirst you gaggle of Kiva loving, Gaim hating LOSERS! |
I love Decade to death, and I think Yuusuke Godai is shit.
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So much Kuuga hate... I'm going to be sick.
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I mean I can understand people who like Kachidoki better, but Kiwami Arms was a great final form nonetheless. Quote:
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Also calling Frey/a part of the cast is an exaggeration, they were in the show proper for like what, two episodes?
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I honestly don't think there's a Rider show I have a harder time accepting criticism of. It's basically a masterpiece as far as I'm concerned. |
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I honestly find it more of a controversial opinion that anyone actually likes Kuuga. Blech. To each their own, I guess. :D
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Mine aren't very memorable (half of them I only got reminded of by reading this thread!), but here they are:
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I can think of several ways of getting that message across better. Kill a character, have another character who's a (legitimate) ghost, have a villain who hates life (though that's a bit blunt), those last two ones put together, something like that. I can think of some plot points that are vaguely about life, but they don't really openly cap off that point. Quote:
Sorry for contributing to another Ghost argument, and if I sound overly spiteful of it. Just, when I see your posts about Ghost I want to understand! When I think of Takeru, I want to see him smiling at the sun like I do with Godai or Shinnosuke. As opposed to kinda just standing there. |
Kuuga never appealed to me
Gills sucks Scissors best rider I like Hibiki Kabuto is boring ....what even is Den-O? Kiva is a snorefest Decade is basically the basis for Gokaiger Skull isn't cool OOO just kinda is there. It's ok. Wizard is Good Gaim is one of the most overated series ever Mach is Annoying and Chaser is overhyped Ghost was...Ok I never liked Kujo Kiriya (I LIED) whew lad. |
I’m not surprised that people find Ghost hollow. His name gives it away: he isn’t all there to begin with. :p
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Anyway, I've probably dragged this out long enough as it is. I've already said all this stuff so much before it's nothing new. Maybe KyoryuGreen can take over ranting about Ghost for a while or something. :lol I may be pretty stubborn about it but more power to you if Ghost just wasn't your thing. Quote:
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Kotaro Minami and Takeshi Hongo are gods and those Heisei pretty boys aren't fit to lick their boots.:p
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I really loved Ghost. Maybe it's because I haven't seen too many Kamen Rider series, but every single Tokusatsu series has an area where it could improve, and most of them are simply due to the nature of the series. I thought the suit designs were great, Takeru was easy to put myself in his shoes, and I enjoyed the rest of the cast as well. Onari is often criticized for being annoying, but I thought he was funny. In fact, most of my friends that I've shown Ghost to all really enjoy Onari.
The collectible gimmick in Ghost is probably my favorite, as well. The entire first 10 episodes were exciting - Takeru was basically on a quest to gather the dragon balls! The big difference is each one that he collects gives him new powers. It was an exciting race against time trying to collect everything, and Specter raised the stakes even higher. Now, I admit that after the first wish, the series slowed down like crazy, but once it started focusing on Alain's struggle it picked right back up. Which brings me to Alain - I think he's my favorite character I've seen in Kamen Rider so far. His motivations and struggles are all very believable to me, and the takoyaki thing was a funny little quirk that I could latch onto. I watch Kamen Rider for action, cool suits, and just fun characters. Somebody tried convincing me that tokusatsu isn't good if it isn't a feels trip, and I said no. I want good action, cool suits, and fun characters - all three of which Ghost has. It's not perfect - the pacing is really weird and Specter becomes kind of boring for most of the middle of the series, but those are things that I can forgive. If those things bothered me, I wouldn't be able to watch the vast majority of tokusatsu. So much of it has characters I find boring, and weird pacing issues. Especially Super Sentai. None of it seems to want to go too deep into plot developments, character studies, or a number of other things. They just keep it simple enough for children to understand and enjoy. Which is fine, but I honestly think people forget that sometimes when they criticize a show like Ghost. Note: I just kind of puked out ideas onto this post, so if anything is inconsistent or whatnot, I apologize. Don't read too much into it. |
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If the point is that it's easy when his friends are helping him, then... cool, I guess? Nice Aesop to carry an episode or two, but not a whole series. |
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I think part of our disagreement here might be semantic, thinking about it. When I talk about how Ghost was all about cherishing life, it goes beyond just the stuff about death. One of your suggestions was having a villain that literally hates life, but a huge crux of the Ganma was their distaste for individuality, while the show was always preaching the exact opposite, for example. Quote:
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Faiz is fantastic I could never *get* gaim I never found a reason to finish Kuuga I could use more Decade Fourze would have made more sense as a "Metal Hero" branding It should have been Kamen Rider Mach and Drive being the secondary Rider... They should just let Shocker die already...they have something awesome with Foundation X and use it to tie all the movies together |
Kusaka is actually a delightful young man
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