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Is Streaming toku shows illegal?
I know a lot of us use other sites to watch Toku Drama and I was wondering, is this illegal? Are we giving money to the uploaders who do it or not?
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Of course it's illegal, technically. And you're giving money to them via ads, if you're not blocking them.
However, I doubt anyone behind Japanese Tokusatsu sees a minority of adults in the west who watch fansubs of their stuff as a risk to their business. These shows exist to sell toys; the toys sell well, so they won't go after people who give it more exposure. The way I see it, as long as there isn’t a legal way to get your hands on a show (via a legitimate streaming service like Crunchyroll or home video releases like Shout's Sentai DVD's) then its okay to download / stream the subtitled episodes. Even though this isn’t how it works, I like to believe that me paying for some of the role-play toys I like or the Figuarts I collect is giving them the money they deserve. Because if we're realistic, the subbing groups give them extra business, their subs open up Japanese exclusive shows to an audience that was never meant to be reached yet also likes to buy their stuff. They are actually giving Toei, Bandai etc. money; they aren't loosing anything just because we can watch the show for free. |
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2. Is Streaming considered stealing? 3. How can I block ads to prevent giving them money? How do ads give them cash? Whenever one pops up, I close it quickly. Does that give them money? |
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2. Only technically I think, you aren’t going to get in trouble because you aren’t the one hosting it, however. 3. It’s called ad block. Get it. I recommend either uBlock Origin or Ad Nauseum. Particularly together. |
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However, there has to be someone who wants you in trouble for it. And as I said, I doubt that Toei or the copyright holders really want to pursue the handful of people in Germany who stream Kamen Rider shows. It might be entirely different with big Hollywood movies and shows, but I don’t stream those illegally so I don’t really care. Quote:
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Certain browser add-ons / extensions like adblock block every pop-up ad or video ads, that way they aren't loaded / displayed and the streaming sites won’t get paid. However, you should try and use stuff like ad-block carefully, because certain sites need the payment from advertisements to survive. If you have ad-block active on YouTube for example the person creating the videos you watch won’t get paid for their work because you don’t watch the advertisements before the video starts. So if you use ad-block make sure to only use it on sites that use advertisement in a harmful way or want to make money off of stuff that doesn't belong to them. |
On Europe, I read this:
http://bgr.com/2014/06/05/streaming-...hows-for-free/ No, really. How is streaming stealing? Second, I tried using adblock for kissasian and they said invalid url. Any tips. |
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I don’t really know how it works, I just try to stay away from streaming big movies and popular shows on obviously fishy sites. Quote:
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I use UBlock Origin with my Firefox and I can still visit it. |
1. Where do you stream shows?
2. Does this apply to videogame/rider music on youtube? 3. Here is Canadian article: https://www.thestar.com/business/201...deo-geist.html 4. But you said for streaming, it depends. 5. Google chrome. |
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But I don’t think anyone ever got into trouble for streaming/downloading a Kamen Rider-show. Toei doesn’t seem to care much about that. Quote:
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Did you see my article on Canada streaming? Does that make it not stealing?
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But don’t forget, if you have the chance to watch this stuff legally, do it. Crunchyroll has lots of Ultraman shows, Shout publishes Super Sentai and I think Kamen Rider V3 even has an official western release, although the set is quite expensive. |
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I wasn't a part of the fandom around that time, but wasn't TV-N asked to remove Kamen Rider The First and The Next because there was an official distribution of those movies for the US? From what I heard, they were only ever asked about those two movies in particular.
Also, most fansubbers remove their shows as soon as there is an official western (specifically North American) release of a show or movie, so it's sorta kinda like a grey area in that sense? Like, it's still technically illegal, but there is no intention in creating a rivalry between fansubs and official licenses. |
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Personally I'd advise watching through legit channels whenever you can. It makes it more likely to get us legit releases, and shows there's money to be made, which is the best motivator for the companies that make Toku. Because if nobody watches the legit, then Shout might not make enough money to tackle the rest, and at some point Toei and Tsubraya might still crack down on the illegal streams. I do know that Bandai does like Shout, as people who get into the series like to import merch, which makes them money. I got a friend into Sentai, and he loved Ohranger so much I bought him the DVD set for his birthday. And now he and another friend are eying the Minipla kits. They do an OhBlocker Minipla my one friend is buying that thing. And Shout has said they'd like to do as much Sentai as they can, including older series. |
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With niche shows, I do have no choice to watch it illegally until a official release is out. Some people in the industry are okay with it, while others are not. Kamen Rider is more niche than something like anime which I always support officially since fan subs for anime have hurt companies before.
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I figure I may download the shows I like, like Kamen Rider and Sentai, but I spend $1,000's on the toys that I wouldn't have bought if I didn't watch the shows.
So while they may be losing licensing money because I downloaded a fan-sub, they gained a bunch of licensing money because I buy a ton of SHF/SHM/SIC/NECA/BANDAI "collectibles" I would not have bought had I not watched the show in the first place. No matter what, they win: I can not watch the show and then they lose no money because I didn't watch the show for free. But they make no money on toy sales. Or I can watch the show for free and then they get a bunch of money they wouldn't have otherwise gotten that they only received because I watched the show. And if the show is good and I like it I'm more inclined to buy even more toys/figures/belts/whatever from that particular series. So maybe a show I'm not as crazy about I'll buy one figure to pay some dues for watching the show for free. But then a show I liked a lot I'll buy all the figures. or something like the original Kamen Rider 1971, I buy multiples and many versions of the same figure. I've probably got around 10 different v1 figures. I really liked Kamen Rider Double. I bought the vinyl figure, all the SHF figures, and the Belt/Driver. I wouldn't have bought all that if I didn't see the show. Counting my Godzilla figures I probably have somewhere around 70-75 figures total. None of which I would've bought if I hadn't downloaded the shows. So in my mind they're making money off of me even if I'm not buying dvd collections of all the shows I want to watch. (plus I'd rather have a 2TB external hard drive full of Toku shows rather then a bookshelf clogged with dvds. That takes up space I'd rather put figures in.) |
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In this case the official licensee doesn't get any money, which hurts their ability to continue bringing it over. But again you don't have much choice if it hasn't been licensed. If you do feel the urge to watch something that is licensed and on a free stream like the Shout Site though, it'd probably be a good thing Again, I've heard that Bandai likes the relationship with shout in the hopes it'll get people buying all those nice expensive figures. We've seen an upswing in Gundam Kits for example due to bluefin group, and if someone imports SH Figarts of Sentai, or a Soul of Chokogin, yeah Bandai makes money. In this case it's Shout Factory who's loosing money, but only if it's a series they have currently. Or if enough people decide they've already seen that series, so they don't care about seeing Shout's subs. If the only way you'll ever see it is to pirate you don't have much choice, but it is a good thing to support the franchise in some offcial way. And if their is an official stream you can watch for free, then there's not much reason to not do that instead. |
this has always been a gray area -while its against the rules the problem is they wouldn't make any money either way. the only time it is a problem is if people are asking for money form you to watch it then their out right stealing. even if they did sub it they didn't create it. the problem is that getting it in other countries has its own problems and you have to have someone bring it over ect. power rangers gives them the super sentai series an in but the others don't have that because of all the failed adaptations of kamen rider since they keep dumbing it down. I seriously think they should just do it as a sub or dub rather than what we have seen because im tired of it always being aliens. people can be bad so why don't we see that?
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Yeah i watched a lot of Ultraman on Crunchyroll because it was official. I really enjoyed that you could watch Geed like that too.
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The act of streaming isn't illegal. It's the streaming of copyrighted materials that's the illegal part. And in that case the uploader is more the illegal party there than the viewer.
And sites like Kissasian are awful, because not only are they hosting copyrighted materials but they're also profiting off fansubbers work, all of whom make the episodes for free. I can understand people not wanting to do torrents, but most fansubbers make their work available via DDL (via their own sites or KRDL) so that's a more more "ethical" route to go down if you can. |
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2. Isn't torrenting illegal? |
Not gonna lie, I think imma write a letter to TOEI begging them to let us watch rider.
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My sources have switched over time. For subs I used to watch them on KissAsian (watching it on a PS4 as a means to try and protect my own computer from viruses) but I eventually decided that since the site is filled with ads that not even an adblocker can get rid of and the whole thing has a high adware risk.
After learning that people often upload these shows to Facebook I began to watch them on Facebook instead. Only problem is that since switching to this method I've sometimes ended up missing subbed episodes, for example I never saw Episode 4 of Lupinranger vs. Patoranger subbed and only got round to seeing the previous weeks' effort quite recently. I try to be moral as much as possible but it's difficult in these situations. Would love it if something like Crunchyroll put Kamen Rider series on there, especially Gaim and Build. It would help broaden the demographic of people who are able to watch it all and give the better shows a chance to shine and show exactly why we all like this genre. |
I barely watch some old tokus in the net, Toei should make somekind of Youtube to streaming them all.
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you know from a business standpoint, they turn a blind eye to the streaming and downloading, they don't have to pay any money to get the shows subbed since fans do it for free, there's no licensing or import issues, and they know for a fact they have a niche fanbase in the States (and other places) that snatch up the toys because they watch the shows.
So they make money on the shows being watched, and they save money in a variety of ways, by not doing things the regular/normal/legal ways. ..it's actually pretty smart of them to just let it happen. |
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Ultraman is own by a different company, so the license is probably cheaper. |
Speak of that, could Toei produce Toku along with Netflix ?
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No, as long as you don't download the show, it's fine. It's funny how Crunchyroll shills warn against piracy, when Crunchyroll used to be a pirating site. Besides, you aren't in their main market, Toei only would care if you were selling the series illegally. You aren't profiting off of it, therefore nothing bad happens.
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