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Kamen Rider Zi-O Episode 17- "Happy New Woz 2019!" Discussion
Sougo's decisions in his confrontation with the Demon King seems to have altered the timeline! Things get even stranger when a NEW Rider confronts the group...
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Hmm..so Rentaro (Kamen Rider Shinobi) are become Another Shinobi is really unexpected. Rentaro in 2019 are normal citizen while in 2022, he become Kamen Rider Shinobi...
Future version of Woz (Kamen Rider Woz) can manipulate situation by his digital book and he as Kamen Rider Woz is really awesome too. And one of unexpected thing is Oma Zi-O is vanished in future BUT Geiz are become new ruler (Geiz Revive) in future. Kamen Rider Woz are one of Geiz's servant in the future...... |
Geiz is only said to be a "Savior", never a king. Oma Zi-O's future had no Riders after Zi-O, aside from Geiz, while the new future has new Riders.
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Well, this is pretty interesting. It is the turn of events everyone wanted
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The twist in this episode finally got me interested in zi-o. So far I was actually hoping for decade to take over as he was more interesting. I hope tsukasa is back at some point as well as the riders that got erased
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And using him sparingly is the best decision for the show. |
After watching the episode and if Woz will become that rider from his alternate counterpart:
Zi-O! Geiz! Woz! Action! HENSHIN!!! Touei! Rider Time! Future Time! (Sugoi! Jidai! Mirai!) Kamen Rider Zi-O! Kamen Rider Geiz! Kamen Rider Woz! Woz! |
I kinda assumed last week but this confirms that Oma Zi-O means no more Riders past 2018. Sougo giving up the belt two weeks ago then taking it back was enough for an entirely different timeline to get to 2068 and having Another Woz go back in time for *some reason*. I'm quite interested in Geiz Revive now though cause even without Oma Zi-O Geiz still ended up gaining Revive, I wonder why?
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is the ep any good?
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Hey everyone, guess what time it is!
https://i.imgur.com/2QBGl2w.jpg Time for you to listen, and understand! That Kamen Rider is out there! He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not reevaluate his fashion sense, ever, no matter how embarrassing it is! Those shades are pretty sweet, though. This was a strong start to a new year of Zi-O. It seems moving away from relying on returning actors worked wonders for this show, because it turns out it can stand on its own pretty well. The plot keeps moving in new and exciting directions and I keep finding myself genuinely pumped for what's next. Geiz gets his own Woz?! Are you kidding me? That's way cooler than what I was imagining when we heard he was becoming a Rider. Heck, that's way cooler than what I was imagining when we heard it was a different Woz! |
Alter Woz OP, plz nerf.
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I am expecting that at some point, probably in the 30s or even 40s of this show, new Woz will die and first Woz will be entrusted with the driver to become a Kamen Rider.
Anyhow, this episode was great and sucked me in really quick. I am sure Kamen Rider Woz will grow on me as a design over time just like Grease did, but wow does that suit not have the best colour balance. |
Damn give me more of Shinobi.
I thought Shinobi, Quiz and Kikai would be bland riders without really putting any effort in direction, special effect, henshin sequence etc... But they actually did a great job at making Shinobi look cool. |
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This is going to be more confusing here...
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Wow, they went way beyond what I expected them to deliver with Shinobi. New sounds, unique Henshin-sequence with CGI and everything... damn.
My only complaint would be that the whole episode wasn't Shinobi doing stuff because I'd watch that. I really hope the same amount of effort will go into bringing Quiz and Kikai to live. Another Woz brings something unique and fun to this show and I quite like that. The only thing that could make this even better, and I really hope it becomes true, is if Geiz Revive turns out to be another evil overlord, just as if not more oppressive than Ohma Zi-O. That would also play into my theory that it's not Sougo himself who becomes Ohma Zi-O but rather a specter-like entity that takes over his body. So no matter who wins between Zi-O and Geiz, said entity would take control of the winner’s body and create an evil overlord regardless. |
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... It's Cereza. |
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Like the new dynamic. Interesting up play to it for the story build. Love how it contrasts the new year to the new direction.
Though I wouldn't count other past riders being done either. Future riders will likely only be a temp thing, and we still have much more to go with the series even after their episodes. But the show always suggested it was going to be timey wimy in the approach with divergent branches eventually, and potentially other shifts. It is very much the Terminator/BttF rider. So currently looks like they are diving into the divergent branch timeline theory and origin point of the divergent branches being where they all intersect to come into existence. Do find the names more interesting now with how they pertain to future tech. Gates/Geiz and Woz. Wozniak having been the guy that worked for Steve Jobs which fits the whole retainer motif, but he's also a tech savvy entrepreneur in his own right. Though I think Geiz might surprise, his soldier aspect seems to preclude him from becoming an overlord directly. But we'll see how his character progresses. He does share heavy traits with Dragon Ball's Vegeta. |
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This is 2 timeline. We still have 3 timeline to go too. So expect a lot of twists and turns to go. 4 & 5 timeline might be interesting as well. Depends on what all they do with the divergent time branches. But that'll also likely settle down before it gets worn out too, so not too many. Expecting 4 minimum, but possible it leads to upwards of 7. 5 seems like a comfortable estimate without diving into too deep into the series, especially since we should have another shift in the 30s before the final push into the 40s. This is the buildup for the 20s shift. But 2 timeline is definitely broken in some manner. Especially seems interesting with how Woz is almost tauntingly massaging Geiz's ego with these promises of power and supporting him in gaining power. Like a way to endear himself to Geiz, before the betrayal later of a future unwanted that Alternate Woz wasn't telling him about. |
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ZX is sad there's a ninja more popular than him now. Anyway, actual thoughts on the episode - Shinobi is damn cool, I love the effort they went to in order to make him "feel" like a proper new Kamen Rider, rather than simply giving us a new suit and going "that's it". Nininger wishes it was this good. The revelation of a new timeline feels pretty dramatic, even if they do try and play it for more suspense than it's possibly worth. Or maybe I'm too used to time travel stuff, I don't know. The Geiz Revive stuff is interesting, but I'm in a disagreement with a *lot* of you in that I don't want future Geiz to be evil, I guess? I get why people might, and cool, but I'd prefer something different than what we already have with Sougo - something to do with not being able to kill Sougo until Woz forces his hand (forcing actual, obvious character development instead). Speaking of Woz, Another Woz is broken, and while he doesn't quite live up to Our Woz's hammyness and fun (I'm already a little done with his writing the future stick), I can see them doing good things with him. And I actually like the suit, somehow. It looks good in motion. |
They actually did such a good job with Shinobi, that his debut (almost?) overshadows the actual new Rider we're meant to be excited about. Doubling up on Woz definitely seemed like a smart move, but maybe having Kinji hang out with everyone for the rest of the show would've been a better one. :lol
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And just because I can't help but disagree with Kiwami on things, I'm very much against the idea of Oma Zi-O not actually being Sougo for similar reasons (see also: the worries I had about Emu/M early in Ex-Aid). My pet theory for how the show can keep him in the final boss role without undermining the entire premise is that he'll somehow become "detached" from Sougo, so to speak, and perhaps even decide his other self is a problem that needs to be eliminated. The fact that this very episode debuts an alternate Woz happens to support this idea quite nicely. |
Something I find really curious.
Timeline has changed, and is likely to change again. This is the intermission to break up the monotony of the setup in classic throwbacks briefly, but this timeline still has whatever catalyst that causes Sougo to become Oma allegedly. So even though other things changed and Geiz gains the ability to stop him from his increased confidence and not giving up. But we've shifted from Oma not existing at all, to Oma still coming back into existence so long as Sougo has the belt. So whatever event it was that causes him to turn Oma is still in play. Likely some kind of emotional trigger. And Geiz had to stop him. Which suggests possibly Oma rose from uncontrolled anger. But makes you wonder how new Woz rose or was born then with these new unique gifts. Also raises the question of what Decade surprises are out there still. Since his story will likely come back around still, and he's only gone for the intermission. Is interesting though that the intermission features new riders, and based on Decade's belt, that means he gets more powers in the future then too. Because more riders, means more rider powers for him unlike the standard Zi-O belt that only does rider powers of before them. Really like the subtle timeline fluctuations and details they work in that way. Makes me curious what the next timeline shift will be after this "Geiz Intermission". Also interesting how they're blatantly showing both versions of Woz have some rather more than human abilities. And we've still yet to really find out what exactly the Time Jackers are after in changing the future and how they are what they are. Still also makes me wonder what the catalyst event is that causes Oma to rise. I'm guessing the various "aborted timelines" will be left unsaid what they contained other than what was implied in sub-tones/subtext. Also, really glad to see the Sebastian/Ciel element of Woz is still kept. Though now I'm curious what other versions of Woz we might see in the future. We've likely still got maybe one more version of him likely to show up later for 3 timeline. Though 4 might go back to the standard Sebastian Woz maybe, or 5 will. Also now I'm curious how the time fluctuations impact the way Oma looks. The way the toys have been highlighting him right now almost suggests we should expect his look to change coming up. |
I am not sure what I think about where the show is going now. It's definitely interesting to incorporate a new timeline with its own Riders and its own Woz. I like that the show is messing around with its time travel like this. I don't even mind that they're making up fake new Riders before getting to the likes of Ryuki and Blade (it helps that Shinobi's suit is awesome; mad props to any Rider who's rocking a scarf in the 2010s). It's neat to see the show starting to stand on its own two feet and do things that aren't tied into homaging previous shows.
That said, I'm not convinced that this isn't a really stupid new direction to take things that's just going to make things incredibly goddamn confusing from here on out. |
That opening fight scene with Shinobi was incredible. The transformation was so over-the-top and glorious and I loved all the effects that were used to show his attacks. Pretty awesome for a kitbash. Another Shinobi looks amazing too.
And love the Ninninger references. Kamen Rider Woz himself was awesome too. Love the glowing green look on him and his Time Mazin. |
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