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Has Power Rangers lost its edge?
After having recently seen the finale to Power Rangers Dino Supercharge, it, and the whole Dino Charge series, left me with a feeling of meh.
While both Dino Charge seasons did set up interesting ideas, such as having a time displaced caveman and knight as main rangers, none of these ideas are used to its full potential. There was a really interesting possibility for character development for them in which they deal with homesickness. Give one of them, I don't know, an episode in which he has the possibility to return to his own time, only to realize his responsibility as a ranger is more important. If done well, it would really cement said character as someone who would sacrifice his own desire for the greater good. Another example is Heckyl/Snide. The last few episodes portrayed the Heckyl part of the character as a sympathetic anti-villain, who, in his own words, did everything he did to restore his planet. The problem is that the majority of the series, Heckyl acted no less evil than Snide, feeling just as one-dimensional as an MMPR villain. So yet another bit of wasted potential. While one mediocre season in a while can be expected, the last six years have, in my opinion, all been mediocre to outright bad. None of the Neo Saban seasons got me really invested in their characters and story. And that while Power Rangers is able to tell interesting stories, as we have seen in past seasons. Examples of this are (in my opinion) In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force and RPM. (Yes, I know Lost Galaxy is very messy at times in terms of story, but the atmosphere and characters really grabbed me.) To list all my opinions of the Neo-Saban power rangers: (Super)samurai: Being a carbon copy of its original Sentai counterpart, complete with literally translated dialogue, it really feels stilted at best and completely implausible at worst. The Japanese tone they tried to copy just obviously does not fit with the western setting the characters live in. It really broke my immersion when the Rangers, of which only one Ranger was of Asian descent, were discussing wether Antonio deserved to be a considered a "true samurai". To me, it felt like a bunch of western fans of Shinkenger were trying to reenact the scene in which the rangers were discussing wether Genta should be allowed in their team. (Super)megaforce: Everything wrong with this "anniversary" has already been said by a multitude of other people, including a 3 hour long videoreview by Linkara, so no need for me to list said wrongs. Let's just say the laziness of the writers oozes from the final product. Dino (super)charge: Many interesting ideas, but none of which are truly explored to their fullest extent. However, I do think this is the best of the three (6 if you treat the Supers as separate seasons), as it did dare to try out new things if you compare it to the previous 2(/4) seasons. So I am wondering: Is my view of the Neo-Saban seasons tainted by the nostalgia I have for the older seasons? Or is there truly something lacking in these recent seasons that the older Saban and Disney seasons did have? |
PR hasn't had an edge to lose for a while, but yeah, I'm not seeing much brightness on the horizon. I think it's appeal isn't as broad as before as it alienates older fans more. And no, it's not your nostalgia. The newer seasons are worse, sadly.
I'll say this, I am looking forward to Linkara's HOPR on Dino Charge. |
One of my good friends thinks Saban (or whoever is in charge of the series) is trying to win back the older fans by pandering to the MMPR fanbase, with things like reusing the Go Go Power Rangers song, Bulk's return in Samurai and the setup of (Super)Megaforce, with the mentor in the shape of a talking head, a robot assistant, rangers going to school etc.
The problems is that these callbacks feel really desperate when the show has nothing else to keep older viewers interested. When I was making the original post, I first thought Nickelodeon's stupid "only 20 episodes a year" rule was the culprit of PR's declining quality. But that should not be an excuse, as other series know to tell a good story in just that amount or even less episodes. |
A lot of things have lost their edge on television. Certainly, TV has changed in the past 20 something yrs., but where some has gotten "harder", the "old" or "seasoned" elements have dwindled. But one has to remember what once was for PR specifically to understand things:
- MMPR was new and different. It wasn't animated, but the success of animated shows like X-Men and Transformers all had a hand in contributing to its success, and its live-action nature is one of the reasons it became a break-out hit. - As PR started getting older, the kids and parents got the gist of the show and the show started losing its punch. All fads come to an end! Changing the show with the changing Sentai allows Saban to keep it fresh, and he could only keep adding changes to MMPR before it was going to run its course. - Zeo and Turbo were trying and fighting to regain lost ground. They were typical, but still interesting enough. The Turbo Movie garnered some specific attention, but the show itself failed to equal the hype and starting going through the motions. - In Space was like Jetman and the intended "swan song"! Of course, where Jetman helped Sentai, In Space helped PR by reviving the lost punch and making the show more serious and edgy. Remember, PR had been on for years in a consecutive fashion with various reruns and marathons on Fox Kids. I'll always believe Fox did it right, and "cash-cows" are always gonna be rode to achieve the greatest financial success! Look at '80s and slasher movie sequels. Freddy Krueger was popular, and New Line ran him into the ground! Fox was willing to do the same! - By staying on for years, they had a chance to create their own mythology, and a show with its myth creates something special and fun. They "kitschy" and "cheesy" fun of old had begun to run its course and the fans were getting older. In Space was a "kitchen sink" gamble which was meant to signify the last game, but as with Jetman, success means money! It garnered some lost love, and the edgy appeal was worth capitalizing on! Think about it, they "killed" Kendrix both for medical reasons, but it has been argued they could go that far because they already killed Zordon, and therefore crossed a threshold they could surpass. - Lightspeed had a mix of the "new edge" and "old cheese" and Time Force was almost always had an edged corner. Wild Force, in hindsight, looks like a carbon-copy of Gaoranger, which is always a losing direction! - Say what you will about Disney, but they had both the possibility of using edge, cheese, and everything in between. Each of their installments were different in and of themselves! RPM was edgy because like Jetman and In Space, meant to be the endgame! And here we are! Edge needs length of years for kids shows, and Nick is so inconsistent with their airing schedule that an appeal is hard to generate. Saban is trying to make PR "BIG!!!", as big as any of the classic superhero franchises and a worthy competitor. Nick isn't on board, but I feel as if Saban is lost as to where to take it, save for contracts and business negotiations which keep him going back to the "sure thing". Is PR's dwindle the fault of the writers and crew, partly and their efforts or lack thereof cannot be totally ignored, but the business world can restrain everyone and anyone and a writer can be overruled or "restrained" by superiors and deadlines! |
Here is how I see it;
Samurai: Tried to play it "safe" not steering away too far from the source Megaforce/Super Megaforce: Ruined by trying to make pizza out of oatmeal and miso figuratively speaking(if you have an epic recipe for pizza that incorporates the two well more power to ya) Dino Charge: Overall an improvement compared to the previous two attempts If Dino Charge tanked so hard I would have called it quits but given how Dino Charge was overall compared to the previous shows I will say it is slowly honing the craft it abandoned many years ago and I will give them another chance with Ninja Steel. |
Dino Charge was pretty good, Samurai was okay and Megaforce was bad. I didn't bother with Super Mega Force.
As bad as some of the new shows are, I do give Saban credit for making Power Rangers more relevant to the public eye again. We got a bigger wave of merchandise and more marketing to the shows. Disney market their shows on the last minute and put them on shitty time slots. |
But theres no explanation in Dino Super Charge final episode.
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Do you guys think that Saban still have respect to the franchise ?
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Power Rangers never had an edge to speak off, but yes; they have dropped in quality over the years.
Dino Supercharge is yet another reminder that PR's days of glory have ended. Even Kickback, who's a member of Power Force says liking Power Rangers is akin to being in a abusive relationship. |
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The Neo Saban Era of Power Rangers has been difficult to enjoy lately. I mainly blame producers and Nickelodeon for splitting the season between two years and not trying to push the envelope for a kids show. I see more things like Steven Universe and other kids shows push the envelope for kids. I actually enjoyed the Mega Force and Super Mega Force seasons (Partially the only one) but still these aren't even close to the good Saban/Disney era shows that made Power Rangers great. I loved Dino Charge but Dino Super Charge was just meh.
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pr lost galaxy has no human mentor and just have alpha 6 for pr lost galaxy team
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This might blow the mind of anyone familiar with my usual attitude but yeah, Power Rangers DEFINITELY isn't what it used to be. The past 6 years have been a parade of mediocrity and it's a real bummer. I've never posted in the PR forum till now (or at least not in years) so excuse me if I go on for a while here.
While I think the shows have overall been getting better (though Megaforce and Dino Charge both dipped in their second seasons), there's fewer and fewer excuses for why they haven't gotten their act together yet. With (Super) Samurai you could easily say "well it's their first time doing the show in a while, they just have to get back into the swing of things", and all things considered, Samurai wasn't exactly a horrible show, improving throughout its run even, and general opinion seems to have finally cooled down a bit in retrospect. The awkward mix of copy-paste Shinkenger scripts with a pinch of added in MMPR nostalgia (the theme song, Bulk and not-Skull) wasn't the best, and the characterization and acting were REALLY sketchy, but at the end of the day it wasn't offensively bad or anything. Then we got Megaforce. Immediately things got off on a bad foot when it became apparent Saban blew the nostalgia load a bit early and what should have been the triumphant return of the classic theme song had its impact severely lessened by the fact we'd just gotten 2 years straight of it already, making it instead come off as lazy. So already going in, there were problems. But stuff like that is minor, really. Honestly, I think there were some promising signs early on. The atmosphere of the show captured the basic feel of MMPR, and while that could be said to be lazy, I think it was an appropriate, full-circle sort of way to celebrate the anniversary even though they weren't using the anniversary show (yet). More importantly, it also meant they weren't just copy-pasting the exact premise and plot of the Sentai this time around. The actors, at least in my opinion, were also allowed to act a lot more naturally than the Samurai crew, and, with the exception of everyone's least favorite off-brand Jason, Troy, had a certain charisma to them, at least by Power Rangers' standards. The problem is that it immediately became apparent there was nothing else going on. The characters were totally flat and static nobodies the whole show, and the MMPR throwback nature of the show fell flat because Megaforce had basically nothing to ADD to it, leaving us with a show that felt like it came straight out of 1993, but with none of the charm or the consolation that standards of storytelling for merchandise-driven kids' shows weren't really that high at the time. It's the distilled essence of PR in the worst way possible, being totally bland in every respect. And then there's Super Megaforce, the show so rightfully insecure about its own quality it needed two adjectives in its title saying how awesome it was. Unfortunately, it just Super Mega sucked. Like, it's a little baffling just how much of a mess it turned out to be, and since it would take so long to get into it I'm not even going to bother describing it when I highly doubt anyone who's seen it doesn't know what I mean. Megaforce Vanilla was merely blandsville but Super Megaforce totally botched basically every single element at play to some degree. Unlike with Samurai and Dino Charge, I think you actually can pin this a bit on Nickelodeon's scheduling. I think the knowledge it was technically going to be two seasons anyway encouraged Saban to go ahead and use a different Sentai each season and that's responsible for a lot of the pacing issues, making everything feel really cramped. But you can't pin it ALL on that. None of the options here negate the ability to simply write the dang show better. You could've just done an MMPR-throwback Goseiger adaptation, you could've just done Gokaiger but with Power Rangers, and you did do both. Regardless of the choice, you could've done a good job. Unlike Samurai, Megaforce had some real ambition, but that only makes it that much sadder it failed to live up to those ambitions. Oh, and Dino Charge. A massive improvement over the previous few seasons in every respect, but of course it was when the bar was set so low. Pretty much everything that was missing seemed to be here this time, with solid characters, plots and villains that were totally original, and an overall feeling that things were finally looking up for Power Rangers. Unfortunately, instead of getting better and better, Dino Charge's writing seemed to get more and more sloppy as it went into Supercharge (again, highly ironic title), leaving everybody with a very lukewarm reception. I wasn't as into it as a lot but even just watching how thoroughly disappointed people became by the end was depressing. Fans were pretty much hailing it as the return of Power Rangers for the first half and then... *poof*, all that goodwill it had earned just evaporated. There's this sense of incompetence behind planning out and executing the newer PR shows that I don't think was there even at the franchise's worst. A lack of solid direction that brings everything down despite promising enough foundations. Things are getting better bit by bit, but I'd really like it if a show came along that just suddenly elevated things all at once instead of gradually elevating them through exhaustive trial-and-error. I haven't been legitimately enthusiastic about Power Rangers in over half a decade now and it's freakin' lame. I really don't think there's anything actually STOPPING them from making a good show at this point besides lack of talent and/or passion. Also, full disclosure: I actually have a pretty big soft spot for both Megaforce and even Super Megafarce (not a spelling error), despite my extremely unflattering assessment of their quality. I'd call it a guilty pleasure, but I don't even feel that guilty about it. :p |
First a little disclaimer: Judging from some of the replies in this thread, I feel I might have misused the expression "Lost its edge" a little bit. I did not mean the show used to be darker and edgier than it is now, but that the show currently does not display the quality it used to.
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While Sentai (and Kamen Rider) is my main fix of live action costumed superheroes, it is still disappointing to see the favorite franchise of my childhood creating such mediocrity. Quote:
And the show does indeed feel a bit directionless. While Dino Charge set up this interesting conflict around the Energems, along with the storyline about Tyler's father being missing, Dino Supercharge fell flat, as it became a really episodic show. As if the writers of Dino Charge were suddenly replaced with rookies during Dino Supercharge. |
I think part of the issue is that we've grown up. What we saw when we were younger we consider nostalgic and therefore, virtually unable to be at fault.
Now, we see much of the same camp, cheese and story lines that don't go anywhere and we're old enough to recognize it. I think once you become old enough to understand and use a message board correctly, shows and things you're a fan of lose their charm. Not because I'm cynical, but because you can see that others are also seeing what you are, and that's looking at Power Rangers from an older, mature perspective. But, I could be wrong. |
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i know why saban pr sreries lost egde is evil soccer moms group
soccer moms chase saban about lord zedd and mmpr s2 |
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Another factor is, that this show is still for kids. And I'm not saying "STFU, it's a kid's show, deal with it!!!!!!" But instead, most of us were introduced to Power Rangers as a kid. It pandered to us as kids, we ride on that nostalgia and first experience wonder, and we look at it now like it's somehow not good enough, but it's still doing its job and that's being a kids show. I mean, I don't even watch it anymore, but I still collect the toys, specifically the Zords. So I'm still a fan, but I guess more of giant robots and not necessarily the story itself. This is probably why I don't have a huge problem with the new movie Megazord because hey, another robot toy. Gosh I'm old. |
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I mean, it was pretty clear from context what you meant by "edge" (i.e. the show's not as sharp as it used to be), but I think when people hear someone use that word to talk about Power Rangers they assume you're wondering why the characters aren't going around cursing all the time or something.
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Pink's Monster Pregnancy - Totally Edge Rangers, Bro!
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The biggest issue that the Power Rangers franchise suffers from right now, this very instant, is the whole schtick about trying to "recapture Mighty Morphin". Samurai suffered from a very short turnaround - we're talking scripts were still being written while production was happening. Where Megaforce/Super Megaforce and Dino Charge/Dino Supercharge had well over a year to prepare, Samurai/Super Samurai was literally handled last-minute, almost to the same degree that RPM was (one of the reasons Eddie G was "fired" was due to him missing script deadlines, sometimes by over a week).
But don't kid yourself - the issues that plagued Samurai/Super Samurai also stem from Jonathon Tzachor and his love for Sentai translation. He always believed the way Power Rangers should be handled is "translating the Sentai", much like Bruce Kalish did post-SPD. We literally have lines from Emily in Samurai that, if you take the same lines from Shinkenger (written in kanji) and throw them in to Google Translate, YOU GET WORD FOR WORD WHAT SHE SAID. I mean, we even had Kevin imposed on to a Sentai scene so it didn't have to be re-shot. With Megaforce, the show tried to recapture Mighty Morphin and pay homage to it with the high school setting and the same colors being the same type of character tropes. Megaforce, for all its flaws, was actually well written (you can't help that some of the actors couldn't act). But those writers were removed and the original Samurai writers brought back in for Super Megaforce. That's why in Super Megaforce you see more "line for line" translation in the story as opposed to creating new stories. To top it off, Jason Smith (who played Red Ranger Jungle Fury Casey) was brought on to help be a story editor and he was very vocal about his love for Sentai, often watching the subtitles as they were released like the rest of us. The episodes that he was credited on also happen to be some of the heavy "Sentai team" usage episodes. I don't think that's a coincidence. After Super Megaforce aired, he went silent on Power Rangers and has yet to (as far as I know) speak about his time as a story editor. I know I reached out to him and asked him (from the TokuNation account) if he'd be willing to do an E-mail interview. His response was to unfollow the account, so whatever. With Dino Charge, you see a heavy influence of Chip Lynn as the head writer. In fact, a majority of the episodes in Dino Charge are written by Chip Lynn. That's reflected in the episodes and what many call "stereotypical Chip" in terms of the story and the character dialogue. However, Chip is also working up Becca Barnes to take over the helm of writing on Power Rangers. In Dino Supercharge, Chip was the main writer on only important "new Ranger/new villain/new power-up" episodes. All the others, including the finale, Becca is the head writer. Now, Becca has been around prior to Dino Charge - she is not credited but I remember her name being involved in the mix somehow. And I'm not meaning to throw blame at her feet. But the writing (ha) is on the wall - when your name is plastered as the head writer and producer of a majority of the episodes of a second-half of a series that is seen by a majority of older fans as a literal crash and burn, you do have to shoulder some of that responsibility. Heckyl is cast out of Sledge's ship and is now a good guy? You need to show it, not just tell the audience and have him save Shelby once. Lord Arcanon shows up after ONE mention from Singe a couple episodes prior? That feels incredibly shoe-horned, like someone said "Hey, we need to add this scene so he doesn't just show up". Kendall becomes a Power Ranger and literally does LESS than she did before. Tyler's reunion with his father was one of the worst told stories in Power Rangers. You want to talk about the show spoon-feeding you how important this is without actually making it feel important? There you go. WITH NO RESOLUTION. At least in RPM, when Scott had daddy issues, it was a BIG deal, everyone could relate to it. They spent the episode building his, and Gem's, character out of it in what is one of my favorite Power Rangers episodes of all time for the entire franchise. But that story continued throughout the entire series prior and after that episode. And then there's a resolution. I feel that the push in Dino Supercharge to get filming done ASAP and at as low of a cost as possible is a legit excuse. Davi Santos mentioned in an interview with Power Rangers Now that by the end of filming they were not given as much freedom as they had in the beginning. And you want to know how rehearsed your heroes are? Having been in the room with them as they are re-prepped for interviews they are literally told how to sit, who sits next to who, who has what lines to say and what things are not okay to say, and one emphasis is to always mention Mighty Morphin and make sure if you have a favorite Ranger it's always good to name an original one. Mighty Morphin. Mighty Morphin! MIGHTY MORPHIN. MIGHTY MORPHIN!!!! The original series is going to be the death of the franchise. Because the one thing NO ONE at the top understands is that NO ONE wants to see a rehash of Mighty Morphin. No one wants to have the 14th version of the original Megazord. No one wants to play the 34th Nickelodeon game featuring MMPR sprites. If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, you should have given us the Kyoryuger/Zyuranger/Abaranger scenes from GoBuster vs Kyoryuger. If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, cave in to the actors' demands and pay them so the fans can have that reunion they all desperately want. Use it to tie up all the loose ends. To quote an anonymous individual who is/was and may still be/not be part of the Power Rangers production: "Imagine what could happen if TOEI stopped writing Super Sentai down to an elementary school age level show as to not compete with Kamen Rider. And imagine what could happen if Saban stepped in and pushed to get something better. And imagine what could happen if Saban allowed for more creative freedom in what the show is and not just a rough translation of Super Sentai." I love Power Rangers. I'll give Ninja Steel a shot. But after 6 years of disappointment, a couple glimmers of hope only to be shot back down to the same place I was before, I don't have much hope left. Obviously, when Saban was trying to save the series after the original Mighty Morphin, it was "all hands on deck do whatever you have to pay to bring back this or that actor" (Jason was brought back for Zeo to boost ratings, and part of the deal was for him to have a role in the next movie, hence his appearance in Turbo Movie). 25th anniversary? Probably a clip show. |
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Mighty Morphin is the only thing that sells and to the general public PR begins and ends with Mighty Morphin. |
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I can kind of understand why Saban wanted and tried to recapture the vibe of Mighty Morphin’ for Samurai and Megaforce. At least they had the excuses of being, respectably, the first “Neo-Saban” and anniversary installments. Megaforce had the potential to be the original for a new generation. But what excuse do Dino Charge, Ninja Steel and subsequent series have (anniversaries aside)? |
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Saban just wants to keep that golden goose laying eggs basically. |
Well, I've seen PLENTY of reasons people have put out which I totally agree with, so I'm not gonna reiterate those. But I think one big reason that I see that I don't think others have brought up yet is the very quality of this generation's television production policies. I have a sneaking suspicion based on the track record of the quality of kids shows that recently two things have been happening:
1. Companies have been getting more greedy & are caring more for money than quality than before(look at Nickelodeon right now for example), and 2. They've started implementing more regulations on writers' creativity & options(in other words, censorship on words, visuals, etc) |
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My answers to such questions: Can't answer the "Tommy" thing because everyone new looks so different from JDF that I just can't think of a follow-up, and "Goldar has been dead since around '99!" P.S.: The character Goldar "In-Show-Universe" only! |
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Honestly PR can copy Sentai as much as it wants for all I care. Much like the whole 20 episode seasons thing, nothing about that really negates the ability to tell a good story.
I mean, even with Samurai, wasn't the biggest problem not that it was a carbon copy of Shinkenger, but that it was a carbon copy without the good characterization that made Shinkenger work? |
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When I watch an episode of the original MMPR, its flaws are really apparent to me, with its only appeal being the nostalgia I feel for it. This is also exactly the reason why I don't feel like watching Himitsu Sentai Goranger or the original Kamen Rider. I haven't grown up with it, so I didn't develop nostalgia for it, meaning its flaws would be too visible for me. I Kickback summed up the problem perfectly here: that the creators of the show are completely obsessed with recapturing the charm of the original MMPR. The biggest problem with this is that kids shows have evolved past the cheesiness and camp MMPR is known for. Saban Era #1 and Disney era Power Rangers seasons have shown that it no longer had to rely on cheese alone to shine. In fact, some of the more engaging seasons have been produced by Disney(!), a company rumored not to care one bit about Power Rangers. The best example of this, is in my opinion RPM. Its setting is one of the darkest seen in PR and each of the rangers feels like an interesting character with a tragic past that motivates them to do their duty. I also think "Doctor K" is one of the best episodes ever made in the whole franchise. So while the uncaring Disney actually experimented with the franchise, Neo-Saban feels like an old man desperately trying to relive his glory days, not realizing that the world around him has changed. |
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I disagree with the way Saban handles aspects of the franchise*Paying the actors peanuts and making the show the cheapest way possible* but the franchise revolving around Mighty Morphin is because to most people PR is nothing but Mighty Morphin. Transformers has had a similar problem for the last couple of years. And RPM is the worst example you can use because at that point Disney didn't care about the franchise and basically allowed the writers to do as they wished. |
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Dino Charge started with promise. Even Den-O enjoyed it when it first came out. But there's things they keep sticking to that don't work. For starters - the "let's just copy the Sentai" stories. Minor things? Stop with the cheesy one-liners during fighting. That only happened in the original movie, so I don't get why it's being shoved down our throats now for the last 6 years. And yes I know - Power Rangers is meant for kids. But so is Spongebob. And half the cartoons you see on television. So why does Power Rangers continue to feel on the bottom of the totem pole when the potential is there to make it so much more? I'm not saying ditch Sentai footage or anything like that. But let's be smart about the footage and not let it hinder the story we want to tell. |
i still love mmpr s1 to mmprs3
parnets saw lord zedd rito call lord zed intsed lord zedd |
I think Saban should treat PR with more dignity.
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diseny 's pr ninia storm be more like hurrianger
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I agree with everything Kickback wrote.
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It saddens me that right now I have zero excitement for the new season. I want Ninja Steel to be great, I love Power Rangers and will always want it to be amazing but the last 6 years have been full of disappointments. I just don't trust anymore. Hopefully Ninja Steel ends up being one of the greatest seasons ever but I wouldn't be surprised if it end up being another disappointment. |
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