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Hypothetical Kamen Rider Forms Discussion/Design Session
This is a thread where we can talk about Hypothetical Forms that Kamen Riders could take. They don't necessarily need to be Current Kamen Riders (Zero-One, Saber, Zi-O, Decade), they just need to be hypothetical. More "What Ifs".
Note: These first 3 ideas are all surrounding Kamen Rider Zi-O. Like, let's say Another Zi-O is back. Of course, to defeat an Another Rider, you need the Powers of the Rider that the Another Rider is based upon. However, since it is Another Zi-O, Zi-O can't fight because he doesn't have his powers. So, Geiz needs to defeat Another Zi-O alone. So, he grabs onto Zi-O's Ridewatch and suddenly, in a flash of light, a Ridewatch resembling the Decade Ridewatch appears from it. This is the Zi-OArmor Ridewatch. Separate from the normal Zi-O Ridewatch, this one allows Geiz to become Geiz Zi-OArmor. Overall, this form greatly resembles Zi-O, even to the point that the text on the eyes is katakana instead of hirigana (it still is yellow, like Geiz's forms are supposed to be). The only thing different about it is the twin Ridewatch Shoulder Pads which are as large as the Eyecon Shoulder Pads of the GhostArmor. The Gimmick of this Armor is that, in its base form, the 2 Ridewatch Shoulderpads resemble the normal Zi-O Ridewatch, except the one over the left arm is has the overall normal looking face, but is mirrored to keep the symmetry. When you insert a Ridewatch into the Slot on the Zi-OArmor Ridewatch, the face on that Ridewatch changes to whatever Ridewatch was in the slot at the time, the forearms gain whatever is on the forearms of the original RiderArmor, and the text on the Eyes changes to the current Rider Form. Much simpler than the DecadeArmor forms. The Final Attack for Geiz Zi-OArmor is called Break Time Burst. So, Geiz uses it to defeat Another Zi-O. The Zi-O Armor Ridewatch could originate in one of two ways and it could do one of 2 Things. For what it could originate like, it could transform from the original or just come from the original. For what it could do after the battle, it could either be a one-time form and the Zi-OArmor Ridewatch simply disappears, or it could stick around. The flowchart of what could happen is simple. Does it appear from the original or does it transform from the original? If it transforms from the original, it would transform back into the original at the end of the fight. No other possibilities. If it just appears from the original, does it disappear at the end of the fight, or does it stick around? If it disappears, that's what happens. If it sticks around, then later, Geiz could use it again if he needs to defeat Another Zi-O again. Meanwhile, the next "What if" scenario is what if an Another Woz appears. So, Zi-O collects the Woz Miridewatch and either it transforms into the Woz FutureringArmor Ridewatch or it creates the Woz FutureringArmor Ridewatch from it and it still exists. So, Zi-O collects the Woz FutureringArmor Ridewatch and inserts it into the D '3 Slot. It resembles the Decade or Zi-OArmor Ridewatches, but the slot on the side resembles the Mapping Slot on the Beyondriver. It would be similar to the Zi-OArmor, just the details are different. It resembles Woz and the shoulderpads resemble Miridewatches When you insert a Miridewatch, it activates it for it to say its name. It basically says "(Rider Name) Futurering Time". Note, this time, both of the Miridewatch shoulderpads change to resemble the Miridewatch in the slot. Similar flowchart to above. The idea of these 2 is that both of them are based upon Riders with other forms and that both of them give new forms based upon Riders who, if they couldn't defeat the Another Rider, someone else, like Geiz or Zi-O in these examples, needs to get their powers in order to defeat the Another Rider, like Another Zi-O and Another Woz in these examples. This third idea is slightly more absurd. Let's say that Team Zi-O came across some Anotherwatches. Or let's say that Another Zi-O could access new forms by using Anotherwatches. What would Another Rider Armor look like? We would somehow need to make a twisted version of each Rider Armor. The problem is, some of them, like Another Ex-Aid or Another Kabuto, don't really have a twisted version of their corresponding Rider's Belt on their Belt. And the Ex-AidArmor has shoulder pads which look like Rider Gashats and the KabutoArmor has shoulder pads which resemble the Kabuto Zecter. So those 2 Another Rider Armors are a bit harder and would need me to be a bit more creative. So, let's analyze the possible Shoulder pads. Another KuugaArmor: Seems simple enough Another AgitoArmor (Triple As): As is this. Another RyukiArmor: More realistic dragon heads as the shoulder pads are based upon the Dragvisor Another FaizArmor: Might be harder Another BladeArmor: Simple as the Cards from the Blay Rouser are turned into a Buzzsaw on the Another Blay Rouser Another HibikiArmor: Inversing the colors Another KabutoArmor: For the purposes of Another KabutoArmor, the Another Kabuto Suit from the Shoulders down, without the Belt, is pretty complete. Another Den-OArmor: As there is an Another DenLiner, this should be easy. Another KivaArmor: Make it a more twisted version of the Kivatbat The Third shoulder pads. Like a bat that has actually been ripped in 2. Very biological Another DecadeArmor: Similar to the original DecadeArmor. Another WArmor: Base the shoulder pads on if the CycloneJoker Memories were Dopant Memories. Same colors, just changed. Another OOOArmor: Basically, make it look like they are actually wearing dead animals. The Tiger Pelt-like Torso piece and Dead Hawk faceplate. Another FourzeArmor: I will talk about the whole thing, here. Given that the original FourzeArmor was made to look like a Rocket, how about the Another FourzeArmor resemble a rocket that has either burnt up or the salvaged wreckage of an exploded rocket. Another WizardArmor: Turning the Wizard Rings into basically Crystal Skulls Another GaimArmor: More Bio-Mechanical than the originals Another DriveArmor: Turn the Shift Tires into make them look more like E-Circular than Shift Tires Another GhostArmor: Turn the Eyecon Shoulder pads into Gamma Eyecons Another Ex-AidArmor: This is the only one that I am totally not sure on. There was no "Enemy Gimmick" or "ability to twist the current gimmick". It would nearly have to be totally original. How can they twist the Rider Gashats to make the shoulderpads? Another BuildArmor: Turn the Fullbottles into Smash Bottles Another Zi-OArmor: Replace the Ridewatch Shoulder pads with Anotherwatch Shoulder pads Side Note related to the above thought: How would the Another Rider Symbols would look like? How can someone twist the current symbols to be creepy So, this has been one heck of a design post. I will add a TL;DR here. 1. Zi-OArmor 2. Woz FutureringArmor 3. Another Rider Armor Now, let's talk about your ideas for Hypothetical Forms. What are your ideas for them? |
I haven't actually seen Zi-O (yet), but I did think of a jingle for if Another Zi-O got his own counterpart to Grand form that used the powers of past monsters instead of riders. It's hard to convey the rhythm through text, but I tried my best:
Gurongi Lord Mirror-Monster, Orphnoch Undead! Makamou, Worm, Imagin, Fangire! Dopant Yummy Zodiart, Phantom Inves! Roidmude, Gamma, Bugster, Smash! Another Rider... (iwae!) Kamen Rider... Monster Zi-O! |
Always wanted to know what memories would Nazca would use to become a Kamen Rider. He was practically halfway there, having his own belt.
There's also Kamijou's insistence on going to Avalon. Like a what-if scenario where he somehow succeeds in obtaining King Of Arthur and the blank Dragonic book. Something something Tyrannic Knight upgrade for Calibur, and then it's Touma who gets the tech-based artificial upgrade. |
Ok, cool, this is right up my alley!
Here's some possible forms I came up with for Double: CycloneAccel- Something happens to Shotaro, so Ryu has to temporarily take his place as Double's left side. The problem is, Ryu isn't used to sharing control with Philip, so they have some trouble, and Philip's Memories don't really pair that well with Accel. But until they have Shotaro back, they'll have to make it work somehow. CycloneNasca- Kirihiko Sudo (the Nasca Dopant) turns on the Sonozakis, like normal, but he knows he can't beat them. So he gives Shotaro the Nasca Dopant Memory, hoping Double can use it against the Museum faction. Philip finds a way to turn it into a Memory that Double can use, bringing them closer to fighting the Sonozakis on even terms. Though, I'm not quite sure what kind of powers Nasca would give them... EternalJoker- During the Double movie where Eternal appears, he first uses a normal Gaia Memory, but then switches it out for a better one with the same power. In this scenario, Philip takes the Memory Eternal dropped and tries to use it against him. EternalJoker would probably still be weaker than Eternal's stronger form, so Double would have to switch to Xtreme anyway, but hey, they could use it again some other time. Actually, I might draw these at some point... |
Don't know why, but the idea of Riders using a later shows' Driver sounds especially intriguing to me. Kind of like in Ultraman Z where Geed uses the Z Riser. One thing I was curious about might happen in Zi-O was if Decade used the Zikuu Driver.
I would also love to see Saber with Lion Senki and Lamp do Alangina, or Sclash Build. |
I'll share a couple ideas for theoretical Zero-One forms:
Ideally this form would be the culmination of Yua breaking free from Gai's control, if that arc had been given better development. Fighting Jackal Custom, using the Fighting Jackal key in the Yaiba Scytheriser, a weapon Yua created (possibly with Naki's help) by modifying the Shotriser/Slashriser design to better suit Fighting Jackal's combat style. "Hunt! Authorize! Kamen... Rider... Kamen... Rider... Scytherise! Customize! Fighting Jackal! Deciding the fate of battle like a Valkyrie." Its finishers are "Fighting Bite!" and "Fighting Bite Judgement!" These forms would be if a new Magia threat required Naki and Ikazuchi to trade their Zetsumerise keys for Progrise key counterparts: Packing Wolf for Naki (packing has a double meaning because it refers to both a wolf pack and slang for carrying a gun) "Backup! Force Rise! Packing Wolf! BrEaK dOwN!" Blasting Ostrich for Ikazuchi (blasting as something similar to lightning, ostrich as a still-living counterpart to a dodo, and together they make a play on "blast off") "Rocket! Force Rise! Blasting Ostrich! BrEaK dOwN!" In another story, we see an entirely simulated battle inside Horobi's mind, between the Sea Scorpion Magia representing the lingering malice still inside him, and a Kamen Rider in Raising Scorpion form, his counterpart to Realizing Hopper representing his sense of fatherhood and desire to protect Humagears (and a reference to how scorpions actually take care of their young, even though it's the mothers who do that it fits Horobi's theme). "Sea Scorpion! Zetsumerise!" "Parent! Forcerise! Fatherise! Raising Scorpion! Protect your family with sting and claw! BrEaK dOwN!" And lastly, here's a slight revamp of my earlier idea for Progrise key counterparts for all the Zetsumerise keys: Slashing Mantis Basking Lizard Climbing Squirrel Grappling Squid Cloaking Bat Drilling Snail Springing Frog Quaking Elephant (a further refinement of Breaking Mammoth that compresses it down to a Maximum-Mighty-X-sized suit) Blasting Ostrich Accelerating Rhino (I'm tempted to come up with a "Proto Thouser" form based on this one, but meh, I don't like Thouser) |
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It would actually be pretty odd to see Naki and Raiden to trade their zetsumerise keys for standard progrise keys since zetsumerise keys are focused on using for combat while progrise keys are for helping and stuff, as mentioned where 01's Sting Scorpion form can administer antidotes.
What would be entertaining is to see them use risers like Jin. A slash riser for Raiden, some sort of crossbow for Horobi, and a knuckle for Naki. |
I think the "helping or combat" thing has more to do with what device you're using the key in. Sting Scorpion makes antidotes for Zero-One, but when Horobi uses it, it makes deadly poison and destructive acids. Kinda like how real antidotes are sometimes made from the poison it's supposed to cure.
As for the new Keys for Naki and Raiden, I also think it would be cool, if only because the keys they use in the show itself don't give the cool "-ing" phrases. Naki's just says the animal's name, and Raiden's doesn't say anything at all. Why should Jin and Horobi have all the fun? That being said, I'm also on board for MetsuBoJinRai using new belts. Though, I just figured Naki would use the Shotriser, since they joined AIMS in the end. |
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