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James Gunn confirmed he's a huge fan of Kamen Rider
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The genius behind Guardians of the Galaxy movies confirmed he's a huge fan of Kamen Rider Franchise. |
Hold up what?!? That's AWESOME!
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One of my biggest fears is for Kamen Rider going mainstream in the west. Cause what happens is the more popular it gets, certain "people" catch on to it, and then start harassing the creators to start making weird changes to it, thus losing what made the show appealing in the first place. This is important to me, as everything made in the west sucks now because of them. I'm just worried that the same thing that happened to Star Wars is going to happen to Kamen Rider.
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Huh, that was unexpected.
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It was really unexpected to see that come up on Twitter. I know Gail Simone likes KR (& other toku), but this really proves how far it's spread without any sort of official release. I hope Toei is taking note of how profitable Kamen Rider can be if they let people have it.
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To be honest, I remember hating it when they discussed about 2017 Power Rangers sequel, and they want to make Tommy a girl just because. |
It was pretty surreal seeing KR trend on Twitter yesterday.
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I mean, it's pretty great to see the Kamen Rider franchise validated in such a public way, for sure. No doubt.
But I feel like an admitted superhero obsessive who got his start in the low-budget rubber-suits world of Troma Entertainment is maybe not the most surprising Kamen Rider fan? |
There's so many people posting MMPR/Zyuranger gifs in the replies and it's the funniest thing
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This thread took a turn...
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... Build was a series that was very directly focused on war, with one of the main villainous factions being a weapons company headed by a war profiteer; and had the country split into three regions each controlled by megalomaniac prime ministers who would send the country into war for their own ends at the drop of a hat. The currently airing series, Zero-One; is a series composed almost entirely of the questions "how will AI develop in the future and how will it be integrated into society," and "should robots have rights", all while its two main villains are terrorists and a CEO written to be so hateable he's rivaling friggin' Kusaka Kaixa. Even Zi-O, a show which was very much doing its own thing; had episodes that very directly tackled the common debate in Japanese society about whether Nobunaga should be revered or hated. This is a franchise that literally started with Takeshi Hongou rider kicking thinly-veiled nazi allegories and making grand speeches about the importance of human life and how it matters above all else! Zero-One currently features an explicitly non-binary Rider with that identity never being questioned, representation in a massive pop culture staple that an equivalent series in America/Britain could barely dream of rivaling! Like, I don't even have to go into actual real-life examples here (such as Japan having its own very large feminist movement; the country relatively recently having a big push for having more women in the business sector; many schools allowing kids to choose whichever uniform they want regardless of gender; Japan handling Covid-19 far far better than most other countries; there just a couple months ago being a big protest against police for how they discriminate against foreigners), I literally just have to list some of the most major obvious themes of the last few seasons in the franchise we're talking about to show how utterly confused I am at the statement "yeah, they don't care about social justice". Just because it doesn't look the same as it does in the west doesn't mean that Japan doesn't have a lot of people disappointed in society and wanting things to be better, and subsequently have those disappointed people putting those ideals into their writing. I'm sorry to get so into this, I just really resent this idea of Japan being this amorphous apolitical blob comprised of people with the same opinion that all "don't care about social justice". It's a country filled with actual, real people with a vast array of political and social opinions just like anywhere else. |
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(Also, Faiz! Faiz is not subtle about its allegory!) |
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I hate the notion that Japanese media is devoid of politics. As mentioned above, Rider is full of progressive themes (though still probably has a ways to go).
To act like "Doh, if it gets big in the west, the SJWs are gonna ruin it!" is ignorant, and idiotic, and I'd expect better from this fandom...for some reason. |
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One person cannot speak for an entire nation. |
If Kamen Rider becomes more mainstream in the west I doubt the series going to be affected that much if at all.
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As for Kamen Rider being changed if it gets big in the west. Right lemme just say that first of all it won't. It will always be a niche following by teenagers that are angry over the internet. And if it did, Toei doesn't fucking care. Angry 15 - 40 year old Americans aren't going to change how the show is writen and directed. And hell even if it did, even if Toei decided to make a US adaption for each show where everything is changed to fit the "SJW Agenda". Guess what gang? You still got fan subs! So incase Kamen Rider gets HUGE in the west, and incase it gets so huge it warrants special edits for localized versions. They can't stop people from recording and subbing the Japanese versions. Don't worry, Kamen Rider would not be affected by anybody with a (made up) agenda.
Also pretending Japan is some non political wonderland is lying to yourself. Ichigo LITERALLY punches Nazis. Zero-One features an angry man clad in white, forcing a hostile takeover of a major tech company and kills sentient beings on sight, all while literally asking for the entire season "Should sentient robots have rights??". You can't pretend that stuff isn't political. |
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Kamen Rider Zero-One has an explicitly non-binary Rider, so it isn’t like Kamen Rider hasn’t already acknowledged that there are people out there besides straight men and women who watch and enjoy the show and would love to see themselves represented. Hell, although Naki’s the first canon LGBT character, their actor, Satsuki Nakayama, is the third LGBT cast member I can think of, after the actress who played Yu Kamimura, the Doughnut Shop Hungry managed (a trans-girl, who transitioned after filming wrapped), and the actor who played Onari (non-binary, like Nakayama). Expanded social models would not be new to Kamen Rider at all.
Not to mention the gay love scene in Rider Time Ryuki... |
James Gunn likes Ultraman as well. I'm not surprise given his taste in pop culture.
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People have been hating on SJWs for the last 10 years now and it really needs to stop. People act like SJWs are ruining everything when it's just them being completely fucking clueless. Art has always been political since day 1 and people always been offended by stuff. You have plenty of people on the right that are no different from SJWs, and they refuse to admit it. People who say that art has never been political until the 2010s probably only watch dumb stuff movies and shows that never deal with any real-world issues. Quote:
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I don't think this fear is entirely unmerited, since Western studios do "political" stuff with a super heavy handed-ness from time to time.
Thankfully, KR has treated their politics with a more subtle hand so they don't make the story jarring and very much feel like a natural progression of the series or story. Though I do question making Thouser a "white man bad" character. |
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Speaking as someone who has been called an "SJW" for my beliefs (apparently wishing media wouldn't further stereotypes that literally get people killed makes me some kind of deranged radical?), I really don't think there's any reason to worry about Kamen Rider.
I mean, everyone loves to fear "cancel culture" or "political correctness" as a ravenous mob of keyboard warriors destroying geek culture, but practically speaking, that doesn't really happen. We can criticize problematic elements in media all we want but it normally takes either something really bad or a long, long pattern of problems before a series or creator suffers any kind of actual consequences. I'd be more concerned about the writers fumbling the story by trying to pay lip service to justice movements without actually understanding the messages they're trying to support, but given how well they've tackled issues like prejudice in Zero-One and warmongering in Build, I'm not really worried about that either. Mostly, all I'm worried about is the tantrum sexist fanboys are gonna throw if we ever actually get a female main rider. |
Ah yes, Kamen Rider, the series that is not about anything political at all! No fighting Nazis as the basis for this series, or a long history of approaching current topical themes.
On the actual topic, I think its nice to see tokusatsu fans around. There’s a lot more of us than most people think. |
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[QUOTE=Guyver Spawn;768551]James Gunn likes Ultraman as well. I'm not surprise given his taste in pop culture.
People have been hating on SJWs for the last 10 years now and it really needs to stop. People act like SJWs are ruining everything when it's just them being completely fucking clueless. Art has always been political since day 1 and people always been offended by stuff. You have plenty of people on the right that are no different from SJWs, and they refuse to admit it. People who say that art has never been political until the 2010s probably only watch dumb stuff movies and shows that never deal with any real-world issues. i love an hate how i cant believe statements like these cuz after the ghostbusters reboot, everything with star wars nowadays, marvel comics especially, the writers of rwby an steven universe (much as i love those shows despite them being terrible lol) like....even if sjws were a fake boogieman the entire time, bad writing created just to get brownie points from minorities or lgbt people still exist. heck wanna know how i know that google safe space an snokeflake from marvel....ooooooof. like yeah media has always been political. but woof has it gotten baaaad now. so i appreciate the cynicism outside of dudebros on youtube ofcourse haha now in the context of kamen rider, thankfully japan is awesome, an tokusatsu in general is way to niche to get women on twitter with to much free time upset over....idk women wearing spandex or something. an to borrow a point from another person on here yeah we'll have our fansubs an what not either way so its all good. but ya gotta stay cynical. after the disney star wars trilogy trust no one XD [Ughhhh i messed up the quote thing ooops ] |
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I think James Gunn getting people into Kamen Rider is a good thing. People who like gatekeeping is a bad thing because they want things all to themselves.
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One of my biggest gripes of today's world is that there are some people who claim to be inclusive but actually aren't, and there are people who claim to be tolerant but aren't. Let us try our best to be inclusive here. At the end of the day were here to watch people in suits shoot colorful bursts of CGI and pyrotechnics at each other. Quote:
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The more this conversation goes on, the more I have to wonder if anyone complaining about social justice types have actually... met any... because in my experience, a lot of them reject very obvious pandering attempts; have wildly varying opinions on media like SU and RWBY; and those that actually know about Toku tend to adore it. Just a very different picture from what's being imagined here is all I'm saying.
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James Gunn for Kamen Rider Zero-One American adaptation. :rock:
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Mostly because Ultraman is aggressively pushing their western push while Kamen Rider is barely starting. Plus Gunn feels more fitting to be with Ultraman I think. |
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I'd be down for a Gunn directed Ultraman film.
There's always just been something about Ultraman that really keeps me from getting hooked. |
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