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Kamen Rider Saber Episode 8- "The Sealed Arthur!" Discussion
Touma discovers the Book he found in Avalon is blank. What can be the secret in this artifact?
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Of course Oren and Jonouchi got petrified. Glad to see the comedic duo back in some shape or form though.
Can't believe Slash is already debuting next week. |
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Saber is like ghost and wizard. It's like it wanted to be darker or pretend to be a series with a lot of depth and growth, but it's just toys one after another without hiding it. The eye catching appear twice before and after commercial to remind audience of jttw and King Arthur books are out for sale. Coincidentally, this is another mythical series filled with "folklore and fictional icon/heroes written by the guy that wrote most of ghost." There's just too many "masters", mentors, and riders in training in general. 5 main villains from the villains faction and 7 riders already for the heroes. There might be an 8th. It seems like the girl for mext week preview is from a rival base , so there's probably more riders from there. Sword of logos probably have a ton of riders to begin with even discounting saber, espada, kenzan, and bladel original masters. Theory -judging from the final scene of this episode. original saber turned evil or was evil. Caliber was the good one. The only reason caliber can henshin and saber couldn't because his sword abadon him in next week preview. Or we're back to the stereotypical tropes of possessing somethng from another world where the thing in caliber jump in to saber. I was expecting caliber to be the horobi or zangetsu, but looks like he needs and probably will get a level up later since another power up item showed up tease for saber in try form of a blank brick like build. I feel like there's no cooling phase where things die down . We're in episode 8 and it feel so fast paced yet the story doesn't feel like in move or progress at all. |
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Isn't that oblivious where this funny concept (KR Saber turns into sword ) come from ?
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Mei in SoL genuinely made me laugh today.
Oren and Jonouchi cameo was smaller than I expected, but they could not made them too important I guess. Ogami turned into stone was meh as I thought last week in the end. I wish they handled the "fear for next week" better. Last week they shouldn't have shown petrified people going back to normal at least. and on twitter actors were hinting at something terrible happening today. Not that i want buster to be out of the show, but it kinda gives a false promise taste. Also while i'm talking about buster. You won't make me believe that kid could hold that buster sword :'D And finally Calibur's identity kinda makes no doubt now. You can tell even from the back-shadowed angle that it's the guy on the right in the picture. So former Saber. And I don't like it :'( |
Everyone is saying that Saber is fast paced and then there's me remembering how fast paced Ghost was as well in the beginning before it all went downhill. I'm a little worried, but I'll stay optimistic due to a lack of executive meddling in this series (so far).
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Like yea, there's secrecy and the swords choosing their users, but you can't tell me that there are only those swords around, even taking into account the idea that there's only one sword to each element. It would be interesting if we got different swords that share an element, though. Also, fucking stoked that Oren and Jonouchi appeared, guess that means that at least Gaim takes place in the same universe as Saber, right? |
So, if we're going on the info that previous Saber is Calibur (judging from how the picture fold from Hayato's side first, slowing closing in on previous Saber), what are the chances that Hayato is still alive and either takes the Calibur belt back or gets another belt?
Calibur's getting Ja-Oh very early and the belt doesn't seem to really do much as a toy so I'm betting Hayato takes it back and goes as-is for the rest of the show or Calibur dies. |
watching with subs. There is one line that felt weird
When heroes arrived to the fight place Legiel said : "You're all here. All except for one person, it seems" Who did he meant by that ? 1) Buster ? But he was obviously petrified 2) Calibur ? He is supposed to work with him in this, why would he expect him to appear with the heroes ? 3) The third Medusa Megiddo ? same logic + he has even more control of it than Calibur 4) Slash ? Does he know he exists or something ? probably just overthinking and it's Calibur or 3rd Medusa but that felt weird a bit. |
It probably would have undermined the stakes at the time too much, but I was hoping Touma would have been a lot more freaked out at the Arthur robot swinging him around like a sword, and yelling in pain the first few times his blade body made contact. It's already a pretty delightfully absurd concept for a form, so might as well lean in to it a bit more, right?
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The actor really didn't make me feel it that way... *cough* no wonder he is my least fav out of the 3 meggidos *cough* |
The thought I kept having with this one is how anti-Sentai it felt, funnily enough? It's a story about five heroes coming together as one that ends with a giant robot fighting a monster, and yet, it's everything about how it plays out that makes it more clear than ever to me this is very much a Kamen Rider show.
Sentai teams just don't have to work for these things the same way, you know? The swordsmen here, we see so much of them standing around in the same rooms, but they don't give off any real feeling of unity until the very end of the episode, and I thought that really worked in favor of what the plot was about. It felt earned seeing Touma literally write the conclusion to this story, and everyone putting their fists together at the end was more satisfying than I expected. So, yeah, I guess that's pretty much the short of it. Not a lot of detail I really feel the need to go into (the direction's still great; loved seeing Gridon and Bravo for no reason), but I thought this episode was super solid and totally works as a sort of mid-season finale deal since the show's taking the next week off. Good times as always with Saber. |
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This episode all around didn't work for me.
But before I explain why, first the parts I actually liked: - Sora is the MVP of this episode. The thought that a child would trust its father so much to simply ignore a whole group of sad swordsmen and instead tell the one guy who thinks is at fault for getting the dad killed to hold his head up high and win next time was awesome. - The story of a character being too focused on mastering a needed power instead of realizing what he already has and accepting the helping hands reaching out to him is great. Also flows together very well with King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table. - The Oren & Jonouchi cameo was awesome. Really fun and so fitting for today’s reveals. Just fantastic. But then - everything else. Oh boy. First of all, as much as I like it… all of this happening in one episode was just too much and undermined the overall impact of the payoff. Touma focusing so much on King Arthur's power seems to come out of the blue. The pieces are there: The buildup needed to go to Avalon, knowing how Calibur affects Kento, the challenge brought forth by the mysterious sage and of course the responsibility of living up to everyone’s expectations etc. But they don't work together, not in this short of a timespan. This needed 2-3 more episodes to really get going. Same with the sacrifice of Ogami, it's resolved so fast you can't really be bothered to care. Then there's just straight up dumb stuff that distracted my so much - Ogami cancels his transformation why exactly? You don’t have any other means to shield Saber? No fancy book, anything? It felt very obligatory, the show wanted to make this happen without caring to make it logical. How much does Ogami's sword weigh? Are they seriously expecting me to believe a child can just hold it? The hell? Touma gives it to Sora like the plastic prop it is and that just didn't compute with me at all. The Arthur robot - just no. Dumb and uninspired toy advertisement at its worst. Monster grows giant just because, giant sword appears just because, giant sword transforms just because. I admit Saber becoming an actual sword was worth a smile but overall this whole ordeal was insultingly stupid. Not worth anyone’s time and a terrible way to ruin a decent group fight scene. Calibur's identity - really? That's it? Everyone saw this coming a mile away. I really wanted this to be more interesting and there's still potential, but I don't like the direction where this is heading. Lastly the same procedure as every week: Mei sucks and I wish she wasn't in this show. Annoying ass useless character. Anyways, next week is a Rider debut I'm quite excited about. I'm looking forward to seeing Slash in action. |
I don't think we ever got a good shot of it, but it looked like when Ren used the 3 Little Pigs book to copy himself, each copy had an arm-shield based on a different one of the three houses. Nice attention to detail there, along with the 3 gorgon sisters, the connection between Touma believing in his friends and Arthur believing in his knights, and the Journey to the West book making Calibur's sword stretch like Sun Wukong's staff.
Now that I think about it, wasn't there also a story in Arthurian myth about two dragons fighting? They were red and white instead of red and black/purple, but I vaguely remember a story where Merlin saw a vision of two dragons fighting over a castle. Overall, I'm really liking how often Saber references details from the books it's drawing on, it makes it feel like the series is really about books instead of just using them for an aesthetic. It's similar to what Ghost tried to do with historical figures, but integrated into the story much better. |
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I liked this one. Quite a bit, in fact. This is the first episode that feels like everything is really clicking for me. The show's still paced like it's running 12 episodes instead of ~48, but apart from that I legitimately enjoyed this episode. The character stuff worked, the fights were actually pretty good, and I've embraced Saber's inherent weirdness enough that the Touma sword totally didn't phase me.
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So I'd found it unitentionally funny that in the middle of the episode where Touma is having everybody words reflected back that Ren wasn't there at all. Also the fact that Zooous actor wasn't physically in the episode only showing up in monster form with the other two in thier human forms was quite jarring. Hope nothing bad happened to the actor.
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As for this episode, it was pretty neat. It was a nice way to basically show everyone working together as a team and it's just nice to see the scale of these fights at times. I wasn't really worried about Ryo biting the dust, like I said in the last thread, I was more worried if the Megid were going to act smart and smash him. But alas, Buster is spared. Also I knew Oren's actor was going to cameo, possibly as Oren, I wasn't expecting Jonouchi to be there too. That was fun. Also yeah King of Arthur is as wacky and insane as I expected. Leave it to Saber to have our King Arthur Robot slice through a Meteor and a Medusa Monster by using Saber's head as an actual sword! I do hope those who were asking for Saber to have their Riders use their head crests as weapons are satisfied with this showing. Because I know I am and I want to see more of it. |
I haven't like most episodes, but this one I thought was good, but still not great yet.
Mei is a prettier Akiko and I'm glad that she's getting less airtime lately. I was getting tired of seeing her with her mouth wide open throughout the whole episode. I also don't like the closeup of Touma's angry, but determined face that he seems to show in every episode. Not having to endure the long cgi henshin sequences for every character gets an A for me. The fight scenes were better this episode imho. I didn't care for the short fight scenes that ends quickly with a massive cgi finisher move. |
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I noticed the quick transformation sequences with Kenzan and Calibur and it's a lot better than the drawn out stock footage stuff. And the fight scenes were quite good this episode - shame it had to end with the dumb robot King Arthur. Quote:
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If Calibur really is the former Saber (of which he most obviously is at this point) then he's practically Kamen Rider Saber Alter lol.
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Now that I'm finally caught up I can give some quick thoughts on this episode:
- First off, just how strong IS Sora? Because he was able to just casually hold Buster's sword like it was nothing and NO ONE acknowledges it lol. - I think what's really making this show stand out from Sentai is how they're utilizing the characters. Even though we have 5 (soon to be 6) Riders that all seem to get along with each other, which basically never happens, we still really haven't seen all 5 Riders team up for one battle yet, at least not as a cohesive unit. Instead, the show has been mostly delegating smaller groups of characters to different tasks simultaneously, and I really enjoy that. Each Rider has a fairly unique bond with each of the other Riders, and I love how that was actually a factor in Touma's strategy with Kenzan and Espada. By the way, I love Touma approaching the battle tactically using both his knowledge of the story and his understanding of his allies' skillsets. I really hope we see more of that, and it seems like they're setting him up to be the de facto leader of the group. As for what I'm not liking....I really don't like Mei so far. She's one of those comedic relief characters that seems to do nothing but scream her lines at all times and basically act like a cartoon character and...yeah, that doesn't work for me. I like comedy relief characters when the comedy comes from their unique quirks...like Gentoku, the guy who manages to look completely ridiculous, yet is so unaware of how ridiculous he looks, that he plays it totally straight-faced. Or Dan Kuroto, where the comedy comes from the fact that he's a psychotic evil genius with a God Complex that just so happens to be on the good guy's side purely for petty reasons. I don't like characters just shouting their lines, and I especially don't like it when they don't even add to the plot. I will say Saber as a whole is already a lot better than Ghost for the simple fact that the main character doesn't feel like a stock Shonen character, and the rest of the main cast has an actual personality (and they're mostly likable). Speaking of which, I stand firmly by the fact that Rintaro is best boy. |
Mei is good eye candy and I'm enjoying what I'm seeing.
That's all I'll say about that character. |
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In some earlier eps of KR Saber, I noticed that Saber's actor seemed to have a lot of thick makeup around his jaw. In his earlier series, he had some acne scars along his jaw that might have been needed to be covered up.
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I am now wondering if I should just for a change give up Saber, at least for a while. It takes a lot for me to actually give up a show, but increasingly the 2009 onwards type Kamen Rider shows can sometimes seem like quite a big commitment. Admittedly it's only real 'crime' is being boring and I did technically sit through all of Wizard but it's just I could watch something I want to watch more with that time and it's not great sitting down for an episode only to be greeted by that guy I hate the most!
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