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Shinkocchou Seihou OOO Breakage?
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So this is mainly for sharing my pain and/or asking around if this happened to any other people around these parts.
Please excuse me if this is posted in the wrong area, I'm a bit new here on the forums. |
The elbow broke? That apparently can happen with Figuarts, remember it happen to a couple of people here before. So how did it break?
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I don't know if you one a SS OOO, the elbows have an extra hing in them that allows the join to bend sideways, which means that there is and extra hinge between the double joint of the elbow. The breakage itself happened while I was just swapping the forearm to the regular one.
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Oh, man, I'm sorry that happened to you! Reminds me of my original OOO Figuarts, only the broken part was the leg, moments after I removed it from the package. I was very relieved to replace it recently.
In that case, I very carefully applied a tiny touch of superglue. I also wrote that point of articulation off as a loss, and was super-happy to replace the figure with the Shinkocchou Seihou version. |
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The OP's report was why I didn't pull the trigger on this figure. I don't think the risk of complete breakage is worth one additional minor articulation point. It might work on the knee. But on the elbow? I don't think so. |
This is the reason I quit collecting SHFiguarts, my SS Kabuto suffered the same fate, and kinda killed my mood for collecting another SHF
Maybe this is just me, but I feel that Bandai is reducing the material quality in SHF line, is just not as good as old SHF anymore, feel more rough eventhough newer SHF are better engineered/designed |
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Meant to post this much sooner, but my OOO also broke at the elbow a couple weeks ago. I was trying to attach the standard forearm again after having used the claws. Didn't even really apply force. Just began to plug it on and it sheared right off.
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It's very heartbreakingly unfortunate news to start the New Year, Den-O. :cry:cry:cry Yours is the second report of the same incident. I was already suspicious that there would be more report of the same breakage. I'm still :eyebrowbaffled:eyebrow why Bandai didn't see this coming, and :eyebrow:eyebrow:eyebroweven more baffled:eyebrow:eyebrow:eyebrow why they didn't reverse their decision to use this new :thumbdownover-engineered:thumbdown joint system. It's a 1/12 scale figure, for God's sake. You can't add complexity into that tiny space without adding more fragility into the system (perhaps at an exponential rate). This is pretty much the most basic law of engineering. Over-engineering makes a system unnecessarily complex. Now the system is collapse, failed beyond repair. :thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown I REALLY wanted to purchase the SHF SS OOO (and the new SHF SS Den-O) but refrained from doing so due to this issue. When I expressed my concern of this issue to some of friends of mine who actually purchased the SHF SS OOO, they asked why I was so suspicious of the new joint system to the point of being nervous (perhaps even paranoid). They said they would simply be more careful when handling the figure and moving the joint. I think they REALLY missed the point. Besides making figure playing unfun, careful handling will NEVER eliminate the source of fragility, that is, the new joint system itself. The SHF SS Kiva was already a :thumb:perfect:thumb: combination of proportion, movability and complexity.:thumb: Damn, he can even do a high kick.:thumb::thumb::thumb: If I were a Bandai engineer, I'd rather use the SHF SS Kiva joint system rather than use the SHF SS OOO and make myself feel like tiptoeing on a glass table when handling the figure. I'm sure veteran reviewers and adult collectors like Den-O (and the OP of this thread) know how to handle a figure carefully. This proves that the fault is the new joint system itself. :thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown Heck, you can even see the failure in TasteToy's review here. The :eek:pathetically thin:eek: plastics around the new swivel joint had visibly started to crack. And this is a first day release review! :eek::eek::eek: http://taste-toy.info/2019/19080517b.jpg http://taste-toy.info/2019/19080518b.jpg :eyebrow :eyebrow :eyebrow :eyebrow :eyebrow :eyebrow This whole debacle is pretty much the essence of what I have learned in my profession so far: What people call paranoia, I call it prudence. |
Mine's been perfectly fine the entire time I've had it, and I'm certainly no highbrow collector (he was my second figuarts purchase; my first one being a couple months prior). I think this could easily just be a bad batch. Hope it's fixed in time for Tajador though.
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Oh wow, I just bought SS OOO for 45$ last December. I haven't had any problems or cracks like the posts here say tho. I did notice the fragility of the joints and have since started using a "technique" in switching the arms. Basically, one hand holds onto the joint tight while the other holds onto the arm and slowly twist it out. Holding the joint means preventing the swivel at the elbow and stopping from turning somewhere it shouldn't as I twist the elbow. Though, I'm more worried that articulating elbow up is what will actually break the joint and I'm tryna look for ways to maybe loosen the tight elbow slightly.
Also, I've devised a suggested fix to anyone who might come across. Might it be possible to switch the elbows with a black Body-Kun's and so revert the elbows into standard SHF joints? |
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I don't think you can replace the elbow joints with the ones from Body-Kun. I think the size is different. And also why would the buyers spend more money to fix the problem (read: "solution" to a non-existent "problem") created by the manufacturer? It also pretty much defeat the point of having the new joint system in the first place, right? SMH Bandai. :eyebrow:eyebrow:eyebrow I just hope someone with high authority at Bandai will come to their senses and reverse this abysmal decision for the next releases. :thumb: |
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A. Has the figure had zero issues because I treat it delicately? Or B. Has the figure had zero issues because I'm lucky? From what I have learned in life so far, answer B is much more probable. Why? Because we know that the new joint system has way more fragility compared to the old joint system, whether by itself or combined with other factors I mentioned in my previous post. I'm 1000% sure that in a parallel universe where Bandai use the old joint system on the SHF SS OOO, this thread does not exist. This is what I meant by "the turkey problem". You can build a very fragile system AND it will stand for some time. Until something unusual happens and collapses the fragile system, usually. This means the track record of that fragile system is due to PURE LUCK, nothing else. Rather than shielding the fragile system from the environment and calculate the probability of system collapse, I'd rather simply find the fragile point(s) of the system and make it less fragile, that is, more robust, thus being able to withstand unpredictable changes in environment. These are several articles to better understand Nassim Taleb's concept of fragility and "the turkey problem": https://www.riskmanagementmonitor.co...ot-be-turkeys/ https://seekingalpha.com/article/369...isk-management https://www.edge.org/conversation/na...-of-statistics |
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But yeah, I do agree with this issue needing to be rectified. Would be great if replacement regular SHF joints are included with SHF Sagozo as he'd suffer way more than Tatoba and I was thinking of getting that form. Although, display models featured in the Tamashii Nations exhibit showcasing all his forms shows that they are keeping the over-designed elbows. |
Mine broke just today too.
Happened when switching out the forearm piece, I wasnt even being rough with it! Luckily it's a clean enough break I can just super glue it back together, albeit at the cost of losing that slight bit of articulation, but I can live with it. I never wish for bootlegs to come into existence, but I'm hoping so for OOO just so I can replace these elbow joints. |
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Mine broke too. any advice? |
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Just got my Tajador today. Put the wings on, they definitly seemed like they could snap pretty easily. Not planning on swapping out the legs, am I safe for just standard posing so long as I'm not removing limbs? It's a beautiful figure of one one of my favorite suits, I want to be sure I don't break it.
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Well. Boy oh boy I'm not happy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JB1...st=LL&index=28 Not sure if you have access to these tools/materials but it looks like it's certainly doable There's also this 3rd party elbow replacement from Full Cart https://fullcarttoys.boutir.com/item...at=all&q=elbow I can't say that I can vouch for them just yet because my order hasn't been fulfilled. But milage may vary since this set looks to be in stock now Hope this helps |
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Still, it is good to know what my options are, so this did help; thank you :) |
Hey if anybody gets those OOO's replacement elbows, could you post if they are good or bad quality? I'm debating whether or not to get a set or 2 for potential breakage if I ever swap out the tiger claw parts.
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Sorry to keep bringing this thread back, but another thing occurs to me -- is it JUST TaToBa this has been reported on? It hasn't happened to Ratoratah, or Den-O, or anything with these elbows? The only breakages like this I've heard about is Tajador's knees.
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The only other breakage I've heard about, though it seems to be really uncommon, is the ankle joints for Gatakiriba due to being able to swap out the feet.
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That makes sense, even if it’s depressing to hear... just never swap out parts on Seihou OOO, I guess!
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Anyone know what tools are used in the video?
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