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How different do you think Kamen Rider would be if Ryuki didn't exist?
No matter how you feel about Ryuki, there is no denying that it forever change the entire franchise in more ways then one. The most important change being the idea of a Kamen Rider.
Prior to this, every Kamen Rider was more or less a good guy. While certain Riders started out evil, such are Riderman and Another Agito, even they were more or less "good guys" by the end of the show. Starting with Ryuki however, Riders suddenly became much more varied in their morals. While the Primary Rider is still a good guy, more or less depending on the character, every other Rider is pretty much fair game. My question is, how different do you think the Kamen Rider franchise would be without Kamen Rider Ryuki, which more or less opened a Pandora's Box that would forever change the entire show? |
Not too different, to be honest, at least in this particular respect. Because I mean, yeah, Ryuki did introduce the first evil Kamen Riders, but that's just labels. There had been evil Riders before, several of them. They just weren't Kamen Riders, specifically because a Kamen Rider was by definition a hero.
All Ryuki really did was remove that as a requirement to be a Kamen Rider. If it hadn't done that, all it would mean is we'd have a lot more evil "Rider-like-but-not-quite-a-Kamen-Rider" type characters. Heck, last couple of shows have sort of steadily been moving back in that direction, with all Kamen Riders in the shows (not so much movies and other extra stuff) being or becoming heroes, while still having evil Riders-in-all-but-name like Gord* Drive and Igor. |
Gaim probably wouldn't exist then. Gen Urubutchi was inspired by Ryuki iirc
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I don't think the franchise would be much different tbh. Very few Rider series have utilized the rider vs rider concept to the extent of Ryuki. Most series just have the inevitable "Rider fights anti-heroic rider until they become partners" thing which is something from V3 and popularized with Agito.
As far as the evil Rider thing goes, technically it started with Ryuki, but we've had villainous Rider-like characters before. Shadow Moon comes to mind. |
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Technically Shadow Moon isn't even a Rider. At least not officially.
That said, villain Riders go back as far as the original series and manga. Two words: Shocker Riders. While not Kamen Riders, they are still Riders and literal evil repaints of the heroes. Furthermore, in the manga Rider 2 was their leader. While Ryuki was the first show to do a lot stuff. Card gimmick, CGI creatures, a butt load of Riders, I feel those ideas were going to happen at some point if Kamen Rider was to ever get out of the Showa era's shadow. Ryuki is important, but it's removal wouldn't change that much in the grand picture. |
Even if Ryuki wasn't there, there would have been some point in the franchise where they would have made a Ryuki-like show and made those elements (including heavy toy-marketing) an established part of the franchise. Ryuki brought some fresh-air, but it wasn't as ground-breaking as Kuuga.
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I like how Ryuki is so influential that apparently saying "it's not that important" comes with the caveat that a show exactly like Ryuki has to exist anyway. I get what you're all saying but that's like saying Kuuga wasn't a big deal because "they would've just brought back Kamen Rider eventually anyway".
The thing is, Kuuga IS the show that brought Kamen Rider back, and Ryuki IS the show that kicked the door open for a whole bunch of stuff. Multiple Riders with different motives in conflict throughout the whole series. Motifs that very blatantly have nothing to do with insects. Gimmicks that are blatantly toyetic in nature. All that stuff is still important today and it can all be traced back to here. It was a pretty bold show and if you like anything that came after it, you owe it in part to Ryuki. I don't think you should diminish that by saying any show could've done it. What if it WASN'T Ryuki that tried this stuff? What if the merch didn't end up selling? What if the show actually DID get cancelled (which is why Episode Final was made)? Ryuki didn't just try new things, it proved they could work. |
The thing is that Ryuki could have been anything, it doesn't have to be Kamen Rider. Didn't they plan it as a Metal Hero show at first?
Kuuga was a show that came to be as the comeback for Kamen Rider and Ishinomori took part in the production during his last years (concepts and such). So if Kuuga was explicitly planned to be Kamen Rider and Ryuki was just some ideas, Ryuki is more a trend of the time for toku, something that would eventually come to the franchise anyway. For example, the Rider vs. Rider already existed in Agito and the Hero vs. Hero was also in Sentai before. Agito also had multiple Riders, just not as many. Toy sale focus was in Sentai since Gaoranger etc. Ryuki was more of a gate for those elements to be established for Rider, rather than an innovation. At least that's how I view it. Also, unlike Kuuga and Agito, which opened the path for Heisei Rider as we know it, Ryuki didn't set a certain standard. Faiz and Blade have more in common with Agito than with Ryuki, from a mere concept standpoint. |
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