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Was 2012-2017 Sentai era the dork age for Sentai?
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Dork Age is the downturn of quality and popularity of a franchise for a period of time and I feel 2012-2017 to be dork age for Sentai for reasons. * Go-Busters- I feel 3 core Go-Busters especially Hiromu is the reason of why Go-Busters wasn’t popular. They lack character development and come off as not very interesting. I’m not sure if I see anyone putting those 3 Go-busters on their favorite Sentai character. The show was boring in my personal opinion. * Kyoryuger- I didn’t get a team vibe from the show and it was essentially one-Man show for Daigo Kiryu. This is example of why the head-Writer shouldn’t focus way DAMN too much on Red Ranger especially if he’s Screaming Red Ranger. Watching Kyoryuger was painful to sit through and i made sure that I won’t make same mistake ever again by not watching any future Sentai that have annoying Screaming Red Ranger who love to be Main Star and doesn’t think of his comrades. * ToQger- I will admit that I did like this show but I was aware that not every Western audience are huge on trains and they dislike the show heavily despite their love for Kamen Rider Den-O which was train-themed Rider. Their suit and mecha are not greatest design but little bit better than Kyoryuger. * Ninninger- After watching first 5 episodes, I stopped watching Ninninger cause TAKAHARU PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH WITH HIS ANNOYING CATCHPHRASE, HIS TERRIBLE ACTING AND HE’S LIKE WORST SCREAMING RED RANGER MORE THAN DAIGO! I WANT SCREAMING RED RANGER CLICHES TO DIE ALREADY! :mad: Sorry...... :( I got carried away. Anyway, Ninninger could have been franchise killer to Super Sentai cause their toy sale was awful. That’s exactly what Toei get for focus way too much on Takaharu. Ninninger might be the most disappointing anniversary show that Toei ever did. You’re not going to see Ninninger on anyone’s list for their favorite Sentai. * Zyuohger- Definitely better than last one but their villain suck and there was some issues with end arc. I think it was good show but it’s not on same level as Gokaiger, Shinkenger or even Dekaranger in term of being huge fan-favorite season. * Kyuranger- I’m very glad that I didn’t watch this show cause one more screaming red ranger and my brain will blow out. Lucky is the reason of why the show is not fan-favorite Sentai show and some Kyuranger didn’t get to do much since there was so many Sentai Ranger and it’s hard to give all 11 or 12 Ranger their spotlight moment. I feel Lupinranger VS. Patranger have potential to be fan-favorite Sentai like Gokaiger, Shinkenger, Dekaranger, Timeranger and Jetman since it got interesting story around Lupinranger and Kogure who I have interest on and the villains are much improved than Zyuogher’s Villains. Not sure if I can called Lupinranger VS. Patranger put the official end to the dork age of Super Sentai but who know? Do you agree or disagree with 2012-2017 being dork age of Super Sentai? Disney went through Dark Age during 80s and 2012-2017 is essentially “The Dark Age of Super Sentai”. |
Ok serioiusly why is everything you post so negative? Every thread you've started has been essentially you saying "heres why I dislike this, do you agree?".
Can I make a suggestion? Go find another fandom. Its VERY clear you haven't liked any sentai series in aong time, so maybe its time for you to move on to something else. Or maybe you could just focus on the things you have liked about sentai? No need to continuoulsy focus on the negative. Also just to prove you wrong, I very much enjoyed GoBusters, Kyuranger and Kyoryuger and would defenitly rank them as two of my favourite sentai series of all time. |
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That’s all. I’m currently watching Lupinranger and I really enjoy it. |
I have to disagree on Kyuranger as it's not Lucky that keeps it from being a fan favorite, its the whole show in general. From the lousy villains and their awful designs ( I do not care if they are following a theme the almost all the villain designs were awful except for a few). Boring big bad and the story just feels like it drags on so long that you start not to give a shit about any of the rangers including the good ones no matter what development they got.
Now if you meant all suits from Toqger including the villain suits not being the greatest than I disagree about that too. Toqger has some of the best villain designs I seen for sentai in years. |
Nope I definitely can’t agree, I’ve liked all these shows
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I think this is trying a bit too hard to find a reason for all these shows being pretty bad; though I will admit there are some problems of over-reliance on tropes and such that has pervaded through each series; not to mention the ever-rising amount of toys to promote that's become an issue in Kamen Rider as well.
Go-Busters I'll agree that the core cast weren't terribly interesting characters on their own; looking back I think that is the biggest problem and it does harm some of the series' themes. But overall there's a lot to like about the season and there are some very good unique things about it; especially in how the mech fights are handled. Mech fights imo are always the worst part of Sentai since they more or less always ended up being shoehorned in; just a pointless extra fight on top of the previous one that ends up being not as impressive because the bulky suits are simply not as capable of some of the more impressive stunts the rangers themselves can pull off. But Go-Busters actually had a great way of getting around these problems by being a lot more creative in when they happened; in giving them a sense of tension and build-up with that countdown; in actually making the previous fight with the rangers a lot more suspenseful; not just going with the most recent most powerful mech all the time and actually saving the 'ultimate gattai' for particular occassions -- I don't wanna go on about this longer because it'd be better served in an actual Go-Busters thread, but it's a good example for me of how Go-Busters was really good. And that's not even getting into Enter, Beet J. Stag, the connection stressed with the Buddyroids, the fantastic ranger suits and everything else. It was a good series. Kyoryuger is worse on reflection than when I just came out of it, but I could actually stand Daigo a lot more as a 'screaming red' because it fit in much more with the series going for a very wild and out-there approach than somber and serious like Go-Busters. I don't think it succeeded in these goals as well as it could have, but for what it was I still found myself having fun and there's still some things to like here. Torin in particular is a VERY good character and easily my favourite mentor so far. Toqger is just damn good fun. There's problems but a lot of what this series does just makes it work -- its music constantly hits just the right tone and upbeat cheerfulness; its overall plot is fairly interesting; the respective aesthetics of the heroes and villains are extremely well executed... I really couldn't help falling in love. Its sixth ranger is also a joy to behold and I love how persistent the rangers are in getting him to join the team; a persistence and optimism which makes so much sense when it's revealed that they're [SPOILERS] and it works so well with the series' themes of imagination. I admit I've also just really loved trains my whole life so that certainly helped, but it was honestly good in its own right. Yeah no I'm not defending Ninninger. I'll say I liked Starninger; I'll say I liked Kyuemon; and I'll even say that I think the legacy stuff is integrated far better than most series and works its way into its themes to the extent it's more than just a "hey these guys are here now isn't this cool" thing. But it's still sooooooo bad, oh my god. I don't even want to get into how bad it is, I'm just-- I'll let y'all have this one. Worst Sentai so far for me. Zyuohger was nice. Had a brilliant Red, some nice rangers and supporting characters, and honestly some fairly interesting villains. Kuval (or Qubald or however your subs translate his name) had an incredible design by Sentai standards and seeing his story unfold was really cool, especially when we got to Bangray. Zyuoh The World was a great way to celebrate the franchise's sixth rangers by going back to their roots with the whole possessed-by-evil thing, and then the arc he DOES go on is great just to see how they handle themes of depression and survivor's guilt... even if it is a little too rough and ham-fisted. That's not how depression works, Leo, stop being an asshole Still, good series. I think it and Kamen Rider OOO are great examples of how you can do an anniversary season by not just throwing in cameos and references every chance you get, but just by using your experience and your accrued themes to make a damn good season. That's the sort of anniversary celebration I like seeing every once in a while. Kyuranger was ech. This post has already gone on so long I'm not gonna say much but there is a LOT I could say about Kyuranger, believe me. Overall not a series I ended up enjoying a lot, thanks Lucky. |
Go-Busters is objectively* the best Sentai season, Kyoryuger is objectively* the worst, ToQger is worse than most people say it is, Ninninger appeals specifically to me so I look back on it fondly but get why people don't like it, Zyuohger has some of the best villains in Sentai period alongside some of the best Rangers, and Kyuranger started off very poorly but by the end I thought it was pretty good.
Sentai, like a lot of things, is based around opinion. I'd call some of the earlier series (Mostly the 80's period, again there was good stuff there but, oof, Fiveman.) worse than anything besides Kyoryuger. Though Fiveman does get very close to being that bad. Basically I don't think that Sentai has HAD a dark age. Kamen Rider on the other hand... *"Objectively" in this case is used for humor, I just really like Go-Busters and super dislike Kyoryuger. |
Go-Busters=BEST in the post-Gokaiger Era, as well as one of the best Series overall. Dunno why you're lumping it into this list....
Kyoryuger=Never watched it, and probably don't plan to, but I've heard how lackluster it is & have seen & read enough to understand that it's not anywhere near one of the best. Toqger=I will defend this show in that it's not AT ALL as bad as people claim it is. The show had a pretty unique premise, and I will say that minus Go-Busters, it has the best villains post-Gokaiger. But yea, it's not great. It's not bad, just a tad below mediocre. Ninninger=GET THIS TRASH OUTTA HERE. This show has SO MANY PROBLEMS, and it's not just Takaharu. I ragequit this show after seeing the stupid lawnmower Episode.... Zyuohger=Mmm....Another mediocre Sentai. A TAD BIT above Toqger, but still not that great, due to the show not really pushing above & beyond. Kyuranger=ONE HECK OF A MIXED BAG....Yea, this show can have some good moments, but THE BAD MOMENTS, MY GOSH....This one is a really hard one to classify honestly, but yea, not up-to-par with what it should've been. |
Go-busters overall is awesome but the later arc where they had to go Easter egg hunting was a bore, thankfully the ending wrapped up nicely
I loved Kyoryuger for its overall flashiness in contrast to Go-busters and diverse cast in terms of age range which I thought was an interesting choice, heck they even got Ryutaros, Ryu Commander, and a bunch of previous ranger actors to dance to their ending theme riders too ToQger had a nice ending and Kobayashi did it again was what I said after it was over Ninninger I still think the art direction was awesome but the story was not captivating and overall the show felt mediocre which disappointed me Zyuohger felt decent overall as a show, Yamato as a red ranger was awesome overall, merch was meh in the end Kyuranger has its imperfections narrative-wise at the start but overall managed to pull through in the end and gave fans a red ranger who grew and changed as the show progressed |
Actually, i was tired between in 2007-2008.
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I wouldn't say Super Sentai had a dork age.
Go-Busters may not have been the most popular, but it wasn't a massive letdown, and Go-Buster Ace sold like mad. While Kyoryuger was pretty decisive for the older fans, I'm pretty certain it was a hit with the target demographic. For ToQger, it's about as 50/50 as Kyoryuger, but from what I've heard, once you got past all the "IMAGINATION!" stuff, it was pretty fun (Haven't seen it, can't confirm) Ninninger is bad. Zyuohger is good c: As for Kyuragner, I'm hearing people vouching for it that it gets better and Lucky actually grows. I don't believe them, but if they say so, then okay. A bad season or two in a row isn't that rare for Sentai, and they typically tend to pick things up when they notice things are going south to shake things up some. So I wouldn't say Sentai has had a "Dork age." |
Kyuranger was a step in the right direction in terms of marketing. It had a unique gimmick to it compared to other seasons, which helped it catch on. I remember reading that it actually helped Sentai's toy sales in Japan.
If you want to talk sales wise, then yeah, Sentai's had a bit of a dork age. The Go-Busters to Zyuohger era was a bit of a mess. It was either the shows weren't doing well, or the toys weren't doing well (Or both in the case of Go-Busters). Kyuranger helped in both areas from what I recall, even if it wasn't as popular over here. And I still think that the last ten to fifteen episodes are really good. |
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Kyoryuger was my first Sentai (Thank you Emgo) and I pretty much enjoyed it.
I skipped ToQger because I wasn't interested in its theme (I strongly regret that decision). Ninninger started okay, but the abundance of filler episodes and sport-themed episodes and a lackluster final villain that didin't live to his hype made it a pretty much lackluster series. Zyuohger had great main characters and great music and some villain had some interesting parts, but the final villain was greatly lacking. Kyuranger suffered from too many characters in my opinion and one of the most annoying Reds ever, but I guess the toys were some of the best in a long time. LupvsPat is so far a step in the right direction in everything. The characters are not annoying, the toys look great and the plot is going well. |
Are we talking in terms of sales or quality? Because those are two very, VERY different topics and it makes no sense to talk about the two in the same vein.
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As a point of reference, here are the annual domestic sales starting with Go-Busters. The additional info are from the respective show's Japanese wikipedia page that has citations to sales and interviews, etc.
Go-Busters: 9.6 billion yen. Despite Go-Buster Ace and the buster machines getting awards and stuff, PLEX's Sojiro Tanaka has gone on to record to say that they regret not coming up with a solid alternative to collectables for the show, which Gokaiger had, and that is why they decided to sell zyudenchis for Kyoryuger the following year. Kyoryuger: 14.4 billion yen. It exceeded BOTH GOKAIGER AND GO-BUSTERS. Roleplay toy sales in terms of units were three times higher than the previous year, four times higher in terms of sales amount. 200K units of Kyoryujin were sold by summer 2013. Kyoryujin was the highest-selling sentai robot in a decade. ToQger: 11.3 billion yen. Ninninger: 7.8 billion yen. Zyuohger: 8.8 billion yen. Kyuranger: 9.1 billion yen. After the second major drought that was Ninninger, Super Sentai has been on a gradual rise as of Zyuohger. They hope to reach 10.5 billion yen for Lupinranger VS Patranger it seems. While we are at it, here are the Top 10 Bandai domestic toy sales for 2017. 1. Gundam. 26.2 billion yen. 2. Kamen Rider. 24.8 billion yen. 3. Dragon Ball. 14.2 billion yen. 4. Anpanman. 10.9 billion yen. 5. Super Sentai. 9.1 billion yen. 6. Pretty Cure. 8.1 billion yen. 7. One Piece. 4.6 billion yen. 8. Ultraman. 4.3 billion yen. 9. Pokemon. 4 billion yen. 10. Aikatsu. 2.3 billion yen. Overall sales rankings are different. 1. Dragon Ball. 97.9 billion yen. 2. Gundam. 68.3 billion yen. 3. One Piece. 29.4 billion yen. 4. Kamen Rider. 26.4 billion yen. 5. Super Sentai. 19.4 billion yen. 6. NARUTO. 11.3 billion yen. 7. Anpanman. 10.9 billion yen. 8. Pretty Cure. 8.1 billion yen. 9. Ultraman. 6 billion yen. 10. Aikatsu. 3.6 billion yen. |
You know what's really crazy about Bandai's top ten brands? Yokai Watch is nowhere to be seen on them and you can still see some of the crazy numbers it was pulling in the previous year's on this year's data.
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I like that Sentai from 2012-2017 has been trying new things or retrying stuff from decades ago. But it never goes all the way with these new things; the novelty wears off and is replaced with the same ol' same ol' it's been doing for years.
Go-Busters: a nice throwback to 90s Sentai in feel and with the mechas. I didn't care for Red's chicken-phobia, but it's a decent show overall. Kyoryuger: first show since Changeman without a yellow. Some good ideas (legacy heroes, the concept of Deboss) but an awful show. Annoying characters and horribly designed villains doing wacky anime hijinks with occasional breaks for "story". A stupid use of a musical theme. (Samba? Why samba of all things??) A chore to watch. ToQger: first orange-colored hero since Battle Fever J, color swapping. This one is a surprising gem in an otherwise lackluster decade. I genuinely enjoyed it. Except for the Rainbow Line crew and IMMAGGINNAAAAAAATTIIOOOOOON being treated like the Force. The color swapping had no practical use, but I liked how Kobayashi and Co. created uses for them, from distractions to extending the time limit in the Shadow Towns. Ninninger: first pink-white combo since Changeman. A good change in the family Sentai where they're cousins instead of siblings. Again, some good ideas, Shurikenjin is unique, but overall very bland and not well paced. Plot points are introduced at random and/or are forgotten for long stretched until the very end. The twist at the end is never even hinted at beforehand. Takaharu is irritating when he's "on fire" (his actor can't even say the line convincingly, for crying out loud). Zyuohger: first time using those team colors, Yamato and Misao's alternate modes. Same problems as Ninninger. I like that on the one hand they did the "can never go home again" plot more justice than Goseiger did, but on the other hand there wasn't as much emotional pull as even ToQger. Plus I don't care for their take on the Zyumen and Zyuland: just an alternate species rather than, say, guardian deities of wildlife, which frankly would make more sense than a whale man somehow being an ancestor to elephants, tigers, etc. Misao and Uncle Mario are annoying. I have not yet seen Kyuranger. In fact, the running theme of this era of Sentai can be "annoying support characters". Almost all of them engage in behavior that you'd see in a nuthouse passed off as comedy. |
Hey I take heavy offense to the Kyoryuger villains being poorly designed. I really dislike the show but it has some of my favorite monster designs. rest about it is correct tho
Also the quality of the supporting characters is dependent on what you think is entertaining. I liked Mario and the Rainbow Line crew, and I'd call grandpa and dad ninjas some of the best parts of Ninninger. |
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...I think Mario was a great supporting character. His antics were dumb at first, but his fatherly role really cemented him as a great part of the cast.
Hilltop is also pretty great. I wouldn't mind for him to become a ranger, either~ |
Honestly Kyoryuger is dumb fun and gets far too much hate. Never understood the hatred other than Daigo taking a bit too much spotlight without using it. Just a bit though, everyone else gets their moments to shine and character development. Also anyone who doesn't like Misao in Zyuohger probably just wanted another typical 'badass' Ranger. Misao's incredibly unique and when there's that 'repressed feelings' monster I just felt even more sorry for him though Leo had a good moment there
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Come to think of it, reason I liked Kyoryuger was probably because of Nossan and his dad jokes, so Daigo did not bother me as much cause I was more focused on Nossan. |
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I didn't want Misao to be a "badass". I wanted Misao to be a likeable character. Misao is an example of when a character exists just to sell toys; from his super vague backstory it was clear that the writers didn't really know what to do with him.
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By the way, this comment of "It's your opinion" is redundant and pointless. Everything said by everyone here is an opinion and it's always expressed as a statement. "It's your opinion!" is always lobbed at something the responding person disagrees with as though that's an actual point. |
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You want a character who just exists to sell toys? See the Washio brothers in Build because all they do is transform and fight, have a boring backstory of being child soldiers and a single scene showing any resemblance of growth. Misao's a character who grows and has his personal problems, he has self esteem issues, feels guilt about how THREE people died to have their powers forced upon him, One could argue Misao's on the spectrum of autism, which tbh I wouldn't be surprised with as Misao reminds me a LOT of a friend of mine irl who's got autistim, especially with how easy it is to upset them and their self esteem issues. Misao's also incredibly awkward in social situations as he overreacts to just having friends or seeing some of his friends fight, meaning he cherishes his fellow Rangers. If he was really just there to 'sell toys' he wouldn't even had gotten his personality back after being rescued from Genis, which still scares him. You say that but you literally said did that very thing in the Build episode 40 thread today |
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The writers knew exactly what they were doing with him. He was socially awkward with an inferiority complex along with a massive guilt issue over the fact that 3 Zyumens were killed to create his powers. He was lonely, awkward, and just wanted to do what he could for his friends. He suffered a mild form of PTSD, and it showed from his occasional breakdowns. Misao was literally the 2nd most defined character in Zyuohger behind Yamato... |
From what I've seen so far, ToQger is pretty good (1-19 so far), and so is Zyuohger (1-7 so far). Kyoryuger is also pure joy (1-8 so far).
I haven't seen enough of all these shows since I'm taking a break from Toku, but they all seem very well-done. |
I will say, as much as I did like Misao and as much as I agree that the direction with his character was a very good change of pace... they could have dealt with the issues he raised much, MUCH better. They really didn't need to follow a narrative that depression and PTSD is something annoying for the people around you and something that you should just 'snap' out of when someone shouts something at you.
It's a bit difficult for me to raise criticism of moral issues and how ethical questions are handled in Sentai/Rider because they're shows from a completely different culture I have no direct experience with; and hence any criticism I raise does inevitably run into the issue of not understanding how the issue is viewed within the context of that culture and society -- and hence anything I say, even if technically correct, could end up just being very unhelpful because it fails to understand the status of those moral issues in that society. But it's really hard to watch things like Leo essentially telling Misao to just get over it and see that framed positively rather than a huge mistake on Leo's part. |
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Misao's backstory is summed up in just one scene that's played as a parody of deep drama. He's just some guy with no friends that Genis happens to find one day and give him power. No real explanation for his arsenal beyond "Oh Genis just had them and modified them." Gee, how interesting. It's just like all those Zyuoh Cubes that happen to be on Earth for some reason and appear when the next toy debuts. That doesn't sound like a deeply planned script to me.
Even if you wanted to claim that Misao has PTSD, this is hardly the way to go about executing it. It doesn't even come across as PTSD: I never thought PTSD when I saw him on screen. Just as Leo says, it comes across as an annoying guy who whimpers in a corner over the stupidest things. So no, sorry, I don't find Misao compelling. I might have liked his inner monologues with the three Zyumen more if they weren't always being played for comedy. But then the entire concept of the Zyumen needed to be redone in my view. |
...The hell are you talking about Dogold having "footy pajamas"? He has torn pants and big feet. Did you actually look at the design in any detail or are you just making shit up to say that the series is bad?
Also, saying Misao is bad is an objectively wrong opinion, how did I miss you saying that in the original post. Misao is one of the best rangers in the last half a decade, and is incredibly relatable. He has a handful of writing issues, but literally everything does. It mostly sounds to me like you don't like fun, which means you should probably go and watch Kiva or Decade and stay away from good series |
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If you're only looking at that for the PTSD you're trying to find a needle in a cup of orange juice, the PTSD is because those Zyumen who haunt him? They're figments of his imagination because of his survivor's guilt and the PTSD. God, you're acting like that guy who yelled "WHY IS EMU A DOCTOR INSTEAD OF AN INTERN" or "HOW DID THE KYURANGERS PERSONALITIES GET SWAPPED I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION!" |
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