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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Blade
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07-14-2020, 04:15 PM
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Kamen Rider Die
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Oh my god, you guys.
Everyone wants to talk about Blade!
That makes me so happy, you have no idea. I always feel, when I start these threads, that, like,
this
is the show no one's going to care about. (Definitely felt that way before starting Faiz!) So, yeah, I am thrilled that so many people want to talk about Blade.
Like,
don't tell Fish
, but the more I talk with people about this episode, the more I like it? It's so much easier to rave about the things it does well than slag it off for were it trips up. I don't know. I want to like these shows, and it's easier to forgive the mistakes when you're talking to people who are excited about it.
So,
y'all.
You are making my day!
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Originally Posted by
Switchblade
I'm not sure why Blade flies under the radar so often (Kabuto, I can understand - that show resists almost any effort to go into my long-term memory), but it is definitely one that doesn't get talked about as much, especially now that we have twenty years of Heisei Rider. It's weird, too, because I've very rarely seen anyone say anything negative about it. Back when I hung out at HJU there was, like, one person who really hated Chalice, but that's it. Everyone who does talk about the show generally has positive things to say. I'm going to be vague here, but there's on specific element that Blade has that usually gets ranked as one of, if not the, best in the franchise.
I can't personally say that Blade is my favorite Rider show because Hibiki exists, but it's always been near the top of my list.
I guess it maybe suffers from the sin of being Unoffensive? Like, it's maybe better for a show to be divisive than just be The One That's Basically Fun?
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Originally Posted by
Sunred
So random question and this is for everyone who wants to give their two cents so feel free, what were your first impressions of the Blade and Garren suits, theme song, and gimmicks such as the belts, rouse cards and the rousers?
I think I talked about the suits (suits good, Garren mask good, Blade mask not so good), but for the other stuff:
-I like the gimmicks! I think collectibles are very much what I think of as intrinsically Kamen Rider, what with coming in through Ex-Aid. Cards in particular, yeah, okay, sounds good. Ryuki used them well, and I think the weird fan-effect the Rousers have is adorably toyetic. I love shit like that. I like the
toy commercial
-ness of that opening fight.
-The theme song and the opening... once again, it's TOO MUCH. I was getting a headache from all of the words onscreen, between the credits, the random words, the subbed song lyrics... I could not concentrate on anything, and that included the theme song. I'mma try again with Episode 2!
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Originally Posted by
ShyGuy
I think one of the reasons I liked episode 1, despite the issues that have been discussed, is because of the way it develops Kenzaki. Even with everything else going on, you still get a clear sense of who this guy is as a person, and he's immediately likable. As you mentioned, the hints it gives toward his backstory also explain his motives for becoming a Kamen Rider, and it's nice how efficiently that's handled. Overall I felt like the episode did a good job of establishing the kind of dynamic Kenzaki is going to bring as the lead character.
There's a specific sense of humor to Kenzaki that I really really responded to, and it's a neat change from the previous four Riders.
Kuuga and Agito were very earnest men, and their humor was goofy, understated. They weren't really cracking jokes, but sometimes they'd do something funny by accident.
Ryuki was excitable, and was more approachable than the previous Riders, but he never really had a great comeback for all the times Knight ran him down. Ryuki was... maybe not the quickest of wits.
Faiz, his humor was all sarcasm, looking to annoy whoever he could.
Kenzaki... he's a
real person
, using humor to deflect, obscure. There's pain there, but he'd rather make himself a clown so you don't look any deeper.
There's only a couple scenes where he gets to show it off, but it's instantly charming.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Personally I think starting with the title character as a Rider would make some different takes than those that only got pulled in to the Rider world where they know nothing at the beginning. There's of course, a pulling scenario when the character at first didn't know and slowly learns something, but when a professional does it, it may be different. But it's probably not that the character already being a Rider part that is the culprit, but the execution of it, if you said there, multiple Riders got it right; Wizard, Agito, Build...
Sure, there are times where it's a solid way in, but like I said, not my favorite. I like seeing the Rider get their Driver. I like seeing the process of building out the hero, you know? That's maybe a reason I really loved Faiz: it's an entire season to get to Takumi being a real Kamen Rider!
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
And it seems that the Undead are defeated by absorbed into the cards, which reminds me of Build with the absorbing monsters thing.
Yeah, it seems like Build maybe got it from here. Good point!
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
I've predicted the one that you're invested in episode 1 will be him, and somehow I was right. In-universe, he seems real annoying, as a pest that won't leave you alone, really gets on Kenzaki's nerves (and I can feel it within him, if I have to deal with someone like that).
I mean, I totally get someone who wants to know more about Kamen Riders! I got that same drive! But, in the show, I think they stay on the right side of insistent, never becoming pushy or overbearing. Kotaro has a good heart, I think/hope.
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Originally Posted by
Androzani84
Yeah, I promised to do this, but my internet is a nightmare where I’m staying this week, so I may not be able to do it regularly.
Those card details were great! Thank you!
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Originally Posted by
Kurona
That said, uh, reactions here... surprise me! Because I
adored
this first episode! Maybe, maybe perhaps it was because it was my last Heisei rider so by now the tropes of 19 series (plus a tiny bit of Zero-One) I was super familiar with and I was just very happy to see something different, but I was extremely into how Blade just plunged you into the middle of things immediately and let slowly fed you information as you went. It's a very different way of doing things than Rider usually does (even shows like W and Wizard where the Rider's been doing this for a while always has some sort of character or situation to make it a big introduction), and I really enjoyed how it just. Let me figure out stuff as I went. Definitely got me very excited for the season!
Sure! I can see how the pure WTF factor of how this series starts could be a plus after so many shows working off of the same couple formulas. (There's some minor similarities in this show to how Amazons kicks off, but less as the episode goes on.)
Like, it's funny you should use that Force Awakens gif, because this setup is, like, Star Wars, right? Just throwing you in with flashy action, slowing down a little bit to sketch out The Rookie, The Grizzled Vet, The Investigator, The Family Members, and then blowing it all up at the end.
Weird! I like Star Wars! And this, it didn't work for me in the same way. It didn't activate that part of my brain that got me wanting to fill in blanks. It... I don't know, it wasn't giving me space to
care
, if that makes sense? It was so stuffed and so frenetic that I didn't feel like I had room to contribute to the experience.
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Originally Posted by
AkibaSilver
Kenzaki is one of those characters who people just seem to like, and that includes me! He's easy-going, kinda jokey, definitely not an expert in anything, yet he does what he does, even if BOARD doesn't pay him anywhere near enough. He's just... nice. Tachibana may or may not have betrayed them, keep watching for that, but to see you click with Koutarou is interesting. I like him enough, but I never quite *got* him 100%. We'll see if I can figure out why in hindsight. Maybe it's because I don't like straight milk.
Some of the Kotaro is stuff is, like,
painfully
close to how my brain works about Kamen Riders. I like when people in the story are part of the
fandom
, you know? I like that a lot.
One of Top 5 Kamen Rider moments is the cast of Fourze doing a presentation on Showa Riders in a movie (specifically Tomoko in a jank-ass costume saying A-MA-ZON), so... yeah, Kotaro and I are probably going to be on a wavelength.
For Kenzaki, I like how
normal
he seems to be. He's not superhumanly zen like Shouichi, or gloriously flawed like Takumi. He's just a guy trying his best, and that best is roughly adequate. He's a B- Kamen Rider, and I think that's neat.
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Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
Treated as the ending to the singular unit that is an episode... You know, maybe I just can't help myself, because the very first thing I told you that wasn't about internet culture was that it's normal to not like Blade's premiere, and yet here I am being all like "hey, take it easy on that Blade premiere, come on man", when I also fundamentally agree with most of what you're saying. It can be a rough episode to get into! Hopefully you'll find the decisions it made at least pay off in the long-run, though.
I feel like I was maybe overstating my objections, in hindsight. Or... I mean, I still think all of that stuff, but some other parts I liked better are a little more prominent in my memory. The overstuffed nature of the premiere, the ways I didn't feel like I was being let in by the show... I don't know if I've got more to say about that stuff? I can't imagine it'd be interesting to hear at this point, anyway. The good stuff, though, I still like digging into those things.
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Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
That just means you have better taste than Die. It's Cosmic States all over again.
Every time I go into the SH Figuarts thread and see that
60% of people
preferred Cosmic States to Magnet States, it's like a punch in the face.
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