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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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05-14-2022, 05:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Missed this the first time!
It was
Ora
who kills Heure, not the Paradox Roidmude. Another Drive laughs at it because he pretended to be Ora to trick Heure, and then Ora kills him anyway.
My bad! I must've forgot how that event played out.
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Originally Posted by
Androzani84
Basically, it boils down to this:
Sougo kills Schwartz and rules as Grand Zi-O: Then the timeline Tsukuyomi and Geiz came from no longer exists, and they poof out of existence.
Is this even plausible, considering Grand Zi-O's poor win/loss ratio?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Androzani84
Sougo lets Schwartz win: The the latter can take over both worlds, and he?ll probably kill all of them, but they continue to exist.
That's a terrible option!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Androzani84
Sougo becomes Ohma Zi-O and defeats Schwartz: Then Geiz and Tsukuyomi turn on him, and Schwartz?s time loop stays in effect, keeping the events of the series going until one iteration of Sougo makes a different choice.
Well, Swartz doesn't know for sure how Geiz and Tsukuyomi would react to Sougo becoming Oma Zi-O, now that they've got to know Sougo, so this is probably the best option.
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 47 - ?2019 - VANISHING WATCH?
Swartz?z plan is to combine all worlds into one, and then destroy them. (I don?t? why would
his
be left? Why does it matter how many timelines exist? Why is any of this happening, and why would it matter to his timeline if he?s not around? Couldn?t the more powerful Alpina keep that timeline intact?) It?s a ludicrous explanation from this show, because the
very first scene
of the
very first episode
contradicts it. Oma Zi-O exists in the future of Sougo?s world. If Sougo?s world is destroyed in 2019, Oma Zi-O and the Misery Fields of 2068 can?t exist. Even allowing for the idea that Swartz?z plan negates that potential future, that future only exists
because of Swartz?z plan
. It? none of this makes any sense.
Apparently, a world without Kamen Riders is doomed to collapse, without reason. Even though Tsukasa literally visited one such world before, the World of Shinkenger. And that world was totally fine without Riders. Narutaki's whole point to Tsukasa in that arc was how Riders inherently make worlds worse, not better. Swartz's timeline contradicts everything we've been told and shown in Decade!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
(My favorite Nothing Means Anything moment in this episode was Kaito using the Another Zi-O II Ridewatch to turn back time and revive Tsukasa, despite the terrible consequences of using it? instead of Sougo using the actual Zi-O II Ridewatch to revive Tsukasa with zero consequences. Like, what the complete
hell
.)
Cosmi mentioned before about how it's not a big problem that characters don't use their OP abilities to revive people in dramatic scenes. But if you're going to revive someone anyway, like, yeah, why would you choose the method that will backfire on you, instead of the one that has zero consequences? Sougo and Kaito are both morons here! Not only that, but suddenly Decade can Kamen Ride in to Zi-O, an ability he's not supposed to unlock until he fixes the World of Zi-O's problem. (looks at the Skywall and rampaging monsters everywhere) The problem does not seem fixed!
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
And by that logic for unwittingly saving Makimura being good (it's Sougo being sharp enough to take a 3rd option between Heure's sadistic choices), are Shockers (or anyone similar, basically many villainous individual/organizations because KR theme is using superpowers from evil for good) good because they can create the birth of Kamen Riders, from their inhuman experiments?
Fair enough.
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