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Kamen Rider Zi-O Episode 7- "Magic Showtime 2018!" Discussion
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10-16-2018, 07:45 PM
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You've gotta stop taking subtitles at face value like this. "Young Tsukuyomi" is just how Over-Time chose to translate "Tsukuyomi-kun." It's not a real descriptor of age or anything, as an honorific it only really reflects that the speaker is older or of a higher status than the person they're addressing. It's nothing to speculate about.
Then blame them for putting it in.
But if it's uncommon for Woz to refer to her like that, or use a term of endearment like that even playfully/teasingly, it's still a pertinent character detail. Since he doesn't use it elsewhere. It'd be a character building aspect with connotations over wide factors and intent that can range a wide area. And as the episode showed with Geiz and Woz having history, implies Tsukuyomi and Woz might too in many ways. As an honorific, -kun is often used more as a familiarity term too in rider shows. That's been a constant across many Rider shows where they either use it as a term of endearment or for belittling, and with how Woz's opening narration was very pointed about how they are from the same time period at the beginning, that pushes the use to be a mix of belittlement/endearment to suggest history with, and with Woz, history with sometimes means more than history with that current one, as we see with Sougo. With Sougo he uses more formal terms(but Woz also has respect for Sougo and what he becomes, and wants to stay in the good graces of his soon to be king, which again goes back to that kind of "black butler" aspect, and how Woz might be more informal/playful with older Sougo that became Oma Zi-O, but younger doesn't have that bond yet), but it'd make sense he'd have a more playful teasing aspect to Geiz and Tsukuyomi, both because of their interactions in their own time period, and because Woz knows more than he often says, as each episode implies in both the opening and closing. Which would mean he also does know what becomes of Geiz and Tsukuyomi too later in the timeline before it changes, if it changes. So to Woz, there would be a distinction of "older" and "younger" because he knows the full timeline as is before it changes.
So actually yeah, it is something to speculate about. Especially in conjunction with the VCR conversation at the beginning. How that almost looked a mess with a ride watch type looking prototype device in it.(Though not really, seems more like a soft allusion using it as a quick blink and you miss it early detail that may not have much relevance but could, especially in conjunction with the 7.5 that was all about what ends up on the cutting room floor and what's kept.) :P
Add that in with companionship remarks by Woz at the end, and the implications still suggest something to speculate about. I also said "if" there is an older Tsukuyomi. I didn't say there was. We honestly don't know. We do know that Woz wants Sougo to act more like Geiz though. We also don't know what made Sougo become Oma Zi-O. Which does seem to imply this timeline of interactions is a constant. Otherwise Woz would be more adamant about removing Tsukuyomi and Geiz from interfering and changing time.
Instead, he already knew they would interfere as the first episode points out with Woz's warning. Which means historically he already knows they tried to interfere and it's part of the normal timeline for Oma Zi-O's rise. So that does imply there might be older ones of them too if they never left Sougo's side in trying to stop him from becoming Oma Zi-O, or being what set him on that path. Which now from this episode is looking more like something happening to Geiz is why. All the information to substantiate that is in the character interactions and foreshadowing already revealed in show. So there likely are older versions of Tsukuyomi and maybe Geiz if their previous timeline iterations lived as long as Oma Zi-O did since they were already part of the timeline for his rise. Now the show question is if this version of the "time loop" they can change that outcome, and how. (Which based on the upcoming forms, seems likely in Q2 sometime.) Based on what we've seen of Sougo's personality though and his growing really fond of her, I'm willing to bet if there is an 'older' Tsukuyomi, that's she's well protected or secure. Especially if something to do with Geiz is what set Oma Zi-O on the path to rising.
But I do agree OT has had some rather weird subbing practices occasionally. Like changing the english word "memo" to "note". But the "-Kun" detail is not one to get that angry about. It still is a character relevant/character building detail to take notice of and what the implications can mean.
How about not trying to lecture me and making yourself look foolish for other reasons though. Cause I can assure you, trying to lecture me is only going to make yourself look bad.
Everything I've pointed out is in the details of the episodes as is already and based on displayed character traits and personality. And as they say, the devil is in the details. This show is very detail oriented. Now any future events is pure speculation since we don't know yet what caused Oma Zi-O to rise, but the details on the distinction for Woz still pan true for what he already knows of the timeline. Because unlike the audience, Woz does know. Including what happened to older Geiz and Tsukuyomi. Same as he knows what did originally make younger Sougo become Oma Zi-O.
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