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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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04-09-2020, 02:21 PM
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Kamen Rider Die
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
FreshToku
Funny thing is that when I first watched Ryuki a long time ago as a child (it actually aired on TV where I lived!), I came I think sometime around the time Tezuka bit the dust, so this recap was actually kinda useful if only so I could experience Scissors getting eaten.
Even as a kid though, Ryuki getting a punch on golden bird man was cool... but that not having any effect just made the whole thing feel so tragically pointless. And I understand that is probably the point, but it still doesn't feel great to watch.
I feel like the folks who love it, all they really remember is the first couple minutes and the last couple minutes. And those parts, the bookends, they're really good! If that's all you remember, this is a
great
episode: Kamen Rider Boss just backhands everyone all over the place, Ouja sort-of joins the team because he thinks Boss is a prick, Ryuki gets that awesome Strike Vent on an untouchable opponent, and Ryuki gets to have a big No, Eff YOU speech to get some heat back from Kamen Rider Boss. Those are all good things! It's just, there's this middle section that drags interminably, has no real effect on the story except for one hit, and is in service of something inexcusably insignificant. (I'd've been less angry if the final scene was Shiro looking in his refrigerator to see that,
yes
, his milk was now
unexpired
.) Maybe in a few years I'll be all, "Why was I mad at this episode? That Strike Vent is the best!" Right now, though, I remember the middle part, and it
sucks
.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Androzani84
Also worth mentioning that Odin starts the grand tradition of the guy who voices the equipment playing a character in show (unless you count Denji Sentai Megaranger, since apparently, one of the minor technicians on that show was the voice announcing the numbers in the Digitizer/Battle Riser/Keitaizer). He does not however, start the grand tradition of explaining WHY they’re the same actor. That honour goes to Faiz (again, unless you count Megaranger).
Neat! Thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Well, Ren is more "emotionally healthy" member because he's aloof and pushes other people away from him, meaning that he doesn't have much to care? There are only few people he actually cares like Eri and Yui. Shinji's kind of growing but still hostile. And there's still a scene of him totally breaking down over Eri in the episode at night. So the lesson here might be that... to be more "emotionally healthy" you should be more of a scoundrel (or even worse, full villains who just don't care about anyone, therefore he has no time for feelings). Actually by that, what I asked was how someone like Ren didn't show any animosity towards Yui ever? From the beginning of the series to present unlike to Shinji (Eri is his fiancée so it's obvious).
I mean, it's "emotionally healthy" in that Ren's processing his feelings honestly, and being honest with what he needs from others. It's just, Ren's an asshole, and that's never going to change. It can be both things, emotion healthy AND an asshole. He's just, like, honest about needing to be an asshole.
In that vein, I think it's just that Shinji really bugs him (despite warming to him) and Yui really doesn't. For a misanthrope like Ren, there's going to be people he hates, people he teases, people he tolerates, and people he connects with. It's just
way way less
of the last one, of which Yui can count herself.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
So even if the debt is an actual responsibility, all of the torturing scenes like this one has no real animosity?
O̶h̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶A̶u̶n̶t̶i̶e̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶i̶m̶e̶d̶!̶
Yeah, I don't think Ren ever really wants Shinji to pay him back. He just wants to keep throwing it in his face because it's
hilarious
.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
It a shame that you don't like this one, where I liked it because this is a recap episode that isn't an actual recap and is a part of the plot. Probably this won't change your mind because the outcome's still the same ("not what I wanted") but even if it didn't change, it's still actually about Shinji. Shiro rewinds time back to the past to save a childhood picture of Kanzaki siblings, but for Shiro, it inadvertenly has an unwanted side effect in a form of Shinji, and this will last. Shinji is Shiro's biggest obstacle in the war, more than just him wanting to stop the war, is that him being a total wild card in the war - the reason Tezuka called him unpredictable fate-wise and passes his quest to him, mainly because he's not a chosen Rider, and it really shows in this episode.
Unlike the other Riders who proceed the same, Shinji has memories of the previous timeline ingrained to him, although only temporary (creating an intense version of the trio scene at ep. 2, Shinji asking millions of questions that can't be answered). This drives him to make some attempts to change the war, like warning Kitaoka that Asakura is going to escape and become a Rider and that he has to prevent it, this can be considered his attempt to save Tezuka and Shibaura (unfortunately though, he was talking to debut Kitaoka), after he forgets when trying to warn Ren and Yui before (and this may also save Sudo if successful). Didn't you appreciate Shinji's effort to stop the Rider War before despite how impossible it is, why not here? Then he tried new methods instead, where it's to keep an infinite number of notes for something Rider War related he remembers before he loses the memory of it. Yeah, it was only a reminder about Odin's fighting style, to punch behind when a gold feather appears, but it's a symbolism that Shinji can fight against his destiny, and he's the only one NOT helpless against the war and Shiro's shenanigans, especially that he has found a method before (ex: to keep remembering Rider War events), Shinji has now become a
permanent nuisance
for Shiro in Rider War, not just in that one rewinded timeline. Shiro's gonna be
especially wary
of Shinji if he tried to pull that kind of stunt again, the small change of Ryuki punching Odin and doubled burden of Rider's death to fuel Shinji's determination is just a start of that. And would like to bring up something from ep. 26 again, as he said here, he still vows to protect other Riders (they are also people)
That's a good point, about Shinji fighting destiny. I'm not sure it's as pivotal as it would've been for Tezuka, since Shinji doesn't really believe in destiny or fate, but it's a good point to bring up.
It's cool to see the ways this episode worked for people, but it just didn't work for me. I honestly found the whole I Was Mad Before But Now I've Seen Things Happen For The Second Time And Now I'm
DOUBLE MAD
motivation to be... not my favorite. Corny, and not in the usual good way for Kamen Rider. I'm not sure that's how motivations are supposed to work? With a multiplier effect? Yeah, really didn't land for me. I'm okay forgetting it, going forward.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
And I still want to talk about this, your hate here aside, the debut for my favorite Rider in all aspects of Ryuki, Odin. Cronus' debut from Ex-Aid is similar to his. Both being the main antagonist's Riders named after a god, beating up every present Riders effortlessly while abusing their powers (flash step for Odin, time stop for Cronus), and they are accompanied by their own giant clock as they do their respective time powers. Odin's another one with a staff as his card scanner, it's clearly shown how Odin summons his staff for him to use but... how did Ouja summon his staff and have it disappear afterwards? It works like summoning Advent weapons perhaps (ep. 17 Gai)? Also they don't seem to use the staff for combat.
It's
very
Cronus, yes! That huge clock chime, the BONG BONG BONG is activating all of those old Cronus memories. Thanks for the reminder!
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