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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kabuto
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01-03-2021, 04:05 PM
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I liked it, but it's almost impossible for me to appreciate it in the context of a story I can't invest in. I'm very much looking forward to being able to talk about it when it debuts on the TV series, though!
Cool! My favorite thing about Hyper Kabuto hasn't even appeared yet.
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I can try? (Although, keep in mind: I don't really think the Hibiki movie worked either, if I recall.)
I think the main difference, and the thing that buys a lot of Let's See Where This Goes from me, is that the story in Hibiki was
fun?
It's an AU set in a totally different world with totally different characters, but it has an energy to it, a playfulness, that GSL just doesn't have at all, outside a death scene or two. There's a cast of fun characters, and a bunch of good gags. Hard to get too grumpy when I'm being entertained.
Plus, the story in Hibiki has more to care about? Kabuki alone is a hell of a villain, and that dude's story is incredibly compelling. By comparison, who is there to get invested in from this movie, as far as villains go? What is there about ZECT's plan that even makes sense, let alone allows for introspection or pathos?
Finally, while I didn't care about the formation of Takeshi like Kurona did, that's at least something of value for the main narrative. Here, you can maybe argue that this is a prequel to the main series, but it's really hard to see how that Tendou/Hiyori scene lines up with Hiyori's TV flashbacks. Beyond that, it's neither addressing the themes of the series (something Hibiki is also guilty of) nor adding to our understanding of the characters. (For me, anyway; I know that you and Fish found something of worth in the new versions of our old favorites, but it didn't work for me at all.)
I agree that Kabuki at least has a sympathetic and tragic villain motivation, compared to Caucasus and the ZECT/Neo-ZECT guys anyway. The fun and entertainment you find in Hibiki's movie, fair enough, I can't really contest that if it's your opinion, but I think God Speed Love had that appeal for me, in the thrilling action, the dark humor and Caucasus was pretty awesome as a Rider, even if he's not thematically deep or interesting to think about as a character. If I had to try and make sense of ZECT's insane plan, I think Outrageous, the crazy guy that he is, decided humans could somehow live on figuratively in the Worms. It doesn't really solve the water shortage though.
Hibiki's movie doesn't really align with the show continuity either, since Armed Form's debut is completely different. Regarding your point about Hiyori's death not contributing anything substantial, I think it's worse with Akira's death since she literally only appears so she can get killed which doesn't give me enough reason to be sad, especially since that version of Akira isn't even the Akira I care about. At least Hiyori's death is something that has foreshadowing and pacing, even if it didn't work for everyone.
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