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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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04-29-2020, 11:46 AM
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DreadBringer
Jokes aside, what do you mean by this?
One of my biggest problems with Yui's story is how little agency she has in it. It's mostly people (Shinji, Ren, Shiro, Auntie, Tezuka) deciding things for her, discussing her fate amongst themselves. It's a great moment for the show to finally consider what Yui wants in a serious, actionable way.
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DreadBringer
The "decision" Shinji talks is not about how Yui should get to decide the reasonable cost for her life, it's about letting her choose to live or die (committing suicide) herself.
I guess? It feels like it's less about choosing life or death to me, and more about Yui gaining control over her existence. To not be a pawn or a prize, but to decide her own fate. Even if that fate is to disappear, at least she got to decide it. Ren has a typically Ren outlook of Alive Or Dead, like those are the only two ways of describing a human being, but Shinji's looking for more nuance, the sense of a life being about happiness and purpose. I don't know, it felt more introspective to me.
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Goro wishes for Kitaoka to be happy, not for him to win the Rider War... so it's baffling for him to do morally questionable things in ep. 14, when he's not against him winning the war and stands up for him to a lesser thing (taking care of Megumi).
I mean, that's just character growth, though. I'd hope that characters would make
some
different choices 30-some episodes later!
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DreadBringer
I wouldn't think Ren changes his mind though regarding the war, he isn't against Yui staying alive, which is Shiro's goal.
Sorry, I could've phrased that better. It's that Ren changes his mind about what to do next, how he goes to fight Shiro alongside Shinji. He definitely hasn't changed his mind about the Rider Battles, but he's willing to follow Shinji's path in saving Yui.
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So it has to be unknown for a long time to let the series run for this long to tell enough stories.
That is a
very
impassioned defense of the series. I think it's awesome that you feel so strongly about what they've put out.
For me, though, I think they had other options? Like, everything about how the series needed its mystery to stay obscured until late in the series or the heroes would've circumvented it... I'd hope the writers would've had other ideas? I don't want to game out how I'd've written Ryuki or anything, but there've got to be ways to create obstacles for the heroes. That's what writers do! As a job! These things are only problems in the story because of how the story was written, so maybe they could've written something without those problems?
Like, and this is something I'll talk about at greater length when the series is over, maybe, but the weird inconsistencies and vagaries, that's something someone decided to put in this story! If it's a bad solution to a problem, but any other solution would be worse, maybe write a different problem?
If I'm building a house, and I don't have the glass to fill a window, I've got a few options. Maybe don't put a window there. Maybe move the glass from a different window, and don't build that other window. Maybe board it up until I can get the glass. But if I decide to shove a refrigerator in the opening, I don't get to shrug and say, "Well, that refrigerator is keeping the gap sealed. What, was I supposed to just leave a huge hole in my wall?" There's a point at which these things stop being unavoidable and start being poor choices.
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