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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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04-06-2020, 09:36 AM
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DreadBringer
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Kamen Rider Die
Sure, I can see that. I'd be into Shinji having one-on-one time with every other Rider, getting them to abandon the Rider Battles so long as Shinji solves all of their problems.
I don't think they got burned by Shinji being the savior Rider, they just don't want anyone to get on the way of their wishes, whoever the "savior Rider" is. Yeah I meant one-on-one time with Riders, but six months for that (What about Kitaoka's illness??)... well Rider War cannot last forever so....
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Kamen Rider Die
This one… it’s not that good. It’s maybe even
bad?
I’m straining to think of something that worked in this episode, but between anticlimaxes, obvious turns, and general sense of What Is This For, this was a disappointingly weak outing.
I know this is Inoue episode, and probably my questions below can be answered as "because it's Inoue made", but let's talk about other things here; so Ouja has another Contract card, which he uses to capture another monster that seeks him for revenge (Evildiver). I guess this is lowkey
another difficulty
of Rider War, if you properly kill other Riders, you'll get their Contract Monsters as your eternal enemy. And he has another card which is Unite Vent, to combine each of his Contract Monsters, forming Genocider (one of the things I like about Ouja, Rider-wise). It seems that Ouja's Deck is intentionally given more Contract cards as to utilize the Unite Vent. But I have to ask what happened to Raia's Deck? It didn't seem to be destroyed but Evildiver still hunts Ouja. I wonder if he got Copy or Confine Vent from those 2 (the PS1 game lets you to use Copy in Ouja's Raia Deck, yet not in his Genocider Deck)? If not then it's actually a balance that Ouja only picks monsters with 1 weapon card. Still more Advents and Final Vents though.
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Kamen Rider Die
Like,
great
cliffhanger from last episode. Shiro has dissolved the Riders’ contracts, robbing them of their powers and setting their monsters loose to try and kill them. Bad news for our heroes! What dastardly scheme could Shiro have in mind that would cause such a massive
HA HA just kidding
he wants Ren and Shinji to go visit Yui at the beach because she’s sad. That’s…
that’s it?!
They show up, a monster chases them into a building (where they just leave Yui on the beach?), Shiro says Everything’s Going To Be Okay, and then they get their powers back, no one gets hurt. Wh…
WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS?!
There was
no other way
to have Shiro talk to Yui? He’s popped in for cryptic chats a half-dozen times without imperiling a Rider to do it, why does he need to threaten to kill Shinji and Ren
this
time? It’s like pointing a gun at someone to get them to say hello.
Seems like an unnecessary escalation!
Definitely doesn’t warrant that level of terror! It’s a total bummer, that a cliffhanger with so much potential was in service of
nothing
, narratively. Yui feels a little better despite zero new information (it’s literally just Shiro telling her to feel better!), Shinji re-emphasises his commitment to helping Riders as people, and Ren… is there, too? It’s a bafflingly hollow part of the story. Accomplishes nothing, in service of nothing. Weird and frustrating.
Yeah, it's so extravagant for Shiro to threaten people (which are her
closest friends
, by the way) just for this scenario to happen, though I can't judge if this is a writing flaw or a character flaw (like your Ren's cover in Tezuka's debut) with him by being so out of reality where he's all about TATAKAE (pacifist people? ah not they're just cowardly to TATAKAE) even on simple scenario. Which "leave on the beach" you talk about? When Shinji and Ren hide from monster or when they go with Reiko? For the former, why blame them? They are chased by a monster without their powers to fight back, driving them to hide in the building, they're
again
, being threatened just for a private talk. However, why Shiro didn't do this when Yui was like, kidnapped before, instead doing this when she wanders outside alone? I have to give credit to Auntie here that she relents and did properly help Shinji and Ren here. What Shiro did was actually attempting to continue his lie to her from ep. 19, using his childhood self (he never let go of that) as an excuse. I don't really think Yui felt better, she's still not convinced by him when he disappears, and compare her reaction to Shinji's vow (he only told Ren in previous episode, now he tells her here) in early episodes, to this episode. Wdym "Ren… is there, too"?
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The Asakura stuff is not any better, but for different reasons. As Asakura tells Reiko his tragic backstory, how he tried to save his little brother from a fire, he’s so earnest and sad. Which, of course, means he’s
1000% lying
. It’s so obvious that it’s funny at first, then dull and predictable afterwards. It means that every single scene of Reiko and Shinji planning out Asakura’s redemption makes them look like idiots. It’s so clear he’s lying, for so long in this episode, that it’s weird that no one even entertains the possibility that he’s not being honest. A lot of my problems with this storyline could’ve been fixed if there’d been, like,
twenty seconds
of them saying he might be lying, but maybe it’s worth the risk, blah blah blah. But that’s nowhere in this episode. (Even
Ren
doesn't bring it up!) Reiko and Shinji see what they want to see, and Asakura ends up murdering his brother and knocking out Reiko. I’m sort-of okay with Shinji looking like an idiot, but, man, no idea why whip-smart reporter Reiko is so easily taken in by Asakura’s bullshit. It’s a huge leap for her to try and rehabilitate a guy who, at the very least, has been brutalizing people for over a decade, and just held a child hostage. I get that she wants to understand him better, but does that have to mean taking everything he says as gospel?
I don’t think that’s how investigative reporting is supposed to work!
Asakura's story is just a bait for his humane qualities but actually it's not only lies, but it served to make Asakura more evil than he already has; he didn't save anyone from the burn,
he started it
! And also explains how
petty
he is to just kill Akira because he bugs him. I think shouldn't it be Asakura being good at lying you talk about here, with him pulling an earnest act convincingly? Asakura's got some street smart despite being a homeless dude (and he still seemed like an ordinary criminal/murderer to others, not one of the most depraved being in the
whole
KR franchise). I forgot a bit about this, but has Shinji received character development regarding people's morality before this moment? If not then this is just a valuable lesson for Shinji (albeit at a great cost) as the clearest proof that depraved human beings without redeeming qualities do, exist. As for Reiko, her no-nonsense demeanor and task-oriented approach bites herself and others in the ass hard here. She probably cannot relate and understand people properly due to much focus on that, and that made her indirectly commit murder, and became the latest victim in the series (to Asakura, both being guilible and KOed). Or maybe that she just underestimated Asakura, even Shinji (knew Asakura is a Rider) calls her out for being reckless, but as far as she concerned, he's just an ordinary criminal that
didn't attack her
when she confronted him. For Ren, I feel like he doesn't really care, he probably wanted to use Asakura's treachery to gloat to them, though have to give a credit to him for a moment next episode.
Oh, and this also explains another of Asakura's trait, he's someone who's obsessed with finishing what he started. Like to Riders, his catchphrase when fighting Riders he wanted to kill is "a continuation from yesterday". And this episode, even when Akira isn't with him anymore, which means he should be free from his annoyance, focused to reunite with him anyway just to complete his mission when he was a kid; killing him.
Also despite all of that, I can't resist to make these (corny) jokes:
Didn't you see something Shinji and Ren brought to you there?
I'm confused there which Niisan you talk about? Your older brother or the car you're in?
His older brother commanding Venosnaker to eat him or Nissan X-Trail's windshield unleasing Venosnaker?
Jokes aside, my other question for the episode is
where did Shinji and Ren get that Nissan X-Trail?
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Even the minor Kitaoka thing in this episode, where we find out that Goro wants to be there for him since he feels responsible for Kitaoka’s illness not getting treated quickly, I don’t know why we need to know that now? It’s an okay scene, but it exists in a weird isolation, Goro expositing stuff Kitaoka should already know in, like, the middle of an afternoon. It’s just…
there
, without needing to be there. Not a bad scene, but deployed in a bizarrely random way.
Lol, I got a feeling that you just lump that scene together for complaints. Yeah it's made to explain why Goro is so damn loyal to Kitaoka. I feel that this scene happened because Kitaoka's illness started to take a toll on him including Rider War where it's shown in Zolda vs Knight before. Goro, seeing Kitaoka suffer from illness like this feels like he indirectly killed Kitaoka by having him defend him in law instead of treating his illness, so he wants to return the favor by doing everything (not blindly but ep. 14...) for Kitaoka. Especially that at one point here Kitaoka lets Goro leave him if he wants.
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