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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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04-03-2020, 04:04 AM
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DreadBringer
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
If I'm lucky, I can talk about this stuff in a way that gets smarter fans to chime in.
Yeah, though I feel for KR expert, gotta be open-minded for the talks.
And I want to also point out your previous complaint that makes me chuckle now; about her "begging a mirror ghost for answers", then few next episodes have Shinji and Tezuka doing the exact same thing.
And for Shiro, I have to tell you that he didn't only create the Riders/monsters and leave them be (like Banno to Roidmudes). He also has complete control of them if he wants, even better than Riders controlling their Contract Monsters, like Agito's Overlord of Darkness over Unknowns. He didn't simply give the Decks. Stopping him/Rider War would mean him deactivating the Riders and halting the Mirror Monsters so that humans will be safe from Mirror Monsters by then, or simply just close the Mirror World. He has bigger influence than you think and IS all-encompassing regarding Rider/Mirror stuff. But unfortunately going after him is just like talking the Riders down...
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Huh. I didn't know that that was how Shinji was perceived by fans. Seems sort-of unfair? He's a guy that's trying to fight monsters and save lives while everyone else tries to kill each other. I feel like that makes
everyone else
in the wrong, not Shinji.
I don't want nice, smiling Ren,
ever
. Even in his pre-Rider flashback, he's an introverted asshole. I like the way the show balances his desire for friends, for connections, with him just being a surly misanthrope in his core. I like that this is the best Ren we'll probably ever get!
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Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
If he is, it's news to me too. I don't generally hear Shinji talked about in a particularly negative light... or that often at all, I guess.
Obviously that's unfair for Shinji. And I don't think they really care about someone being in right or wrong (probably Shinji being in right even accounted to that), they just don't like flawed heroes (he's the down of his luck loser type like Ryotaro).. They don't care about the efforts, only the results (if their efforts are in vain it's like not making an effort at all to them, which Shinji is to them). Like you know there was Androzani84 in page 3 thinking that way about him. Can't talk further about this due to spoilers. And same here, wants Ren to retrain his default personality (though he does develop), but that can be used as a proof that Shinji doesn't accomplish anything (like him still fight-heavy)...
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
I
love
elaborate henshins, even if the idea of them happening preceding/in the midst of a life-or-death battle is maybe too fantastical. So, no, I don't want people to interfere with henshins, generally.
Well, most of the time in this series (and some of the other series too), people henshin together, so both party has to complete their elaborate henshin at the same time and
can't
interfere with the others. So, lesson taken is that you should wait for the opponent Rider to henshin too before you henshin.
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Yeah, I don't think Shinji has nearly enough information to say what Shiro is capable of doing for the winning Rider. I think it's a mix of his distrust of Shiro and his lack of experience that has him dispute Shiro's powers. I think Shinji is being a little small-minded and a lot judgemental.
I mean Shinji should get credit for this instead of you (someone who like him) labeling him as small-minded. I feel that he distrusts Shiro because of him being creepy and evil, not how he's incapable of doing so. There are no reason to believe that Shiro isn't lying to them (lying as in, giving false hope), so it may show that everyone but Shinji are actually all gullible, insane idiots (because murdering people because a man in a mirror told you that you'd get a wish is insane).
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Kamen Rider Die
I'm not sure I'm answering your question? I don't know. Yui... there's a bunch there that's not working for me right now.
Well yeah I get it now, so here you talk about how her emotions are less varied compared to Ren or something. I think before you came across as not wanting her to show any grief or something when witnessing tragedies while ironically you want her to when "in danger" because of Gai. I can't think of the solutions about this though.
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Kamen Rider Die
We get Goro/Kitaoka, Reiko/Shinji, Yui/Ren, and Yuichi/Tezuka. That element, it gives a nice thread to tie in all of the various Riders’ fears, how the Battles have collateral damage, how they mitigate that with heroism or with isolation.
Shinji and Reiko's interaction for some reason makes Shimada think he's possessed by an evil spirit (he just matures! don't ignore character development, in-universe characters or fandom!). So Shimada's weirdness can be...dangerous here, with her inadvertently harming an innocent. I would talk about this more if this place is spoiler free because it's hilarious to think about what happened in Ryuki movie compared to this one.
I also want to talk about the fight of Ryuki/Knight vs Ouja at the beginning; so Mirror World time limit can cease the fight like Ryuki vs Scissors before and save someone in certain situation. It's shown to have a psychological effect too, look at Shinji. Ren, and Asakura's situation after this. And Asakura is the one eventually "lost" as he collapsed. And now this is another problem Rider War causes, with Shiro choosing Asakura, an unrepentant criminal. With him gaining Rider powers, now society is in even bigger problem with the fugitive having higher chance to create chaos and/or getting away scot-free with his powers! (Oh wait Scissors also did, with him using Volcancer to get away scot-free from his crimes. Gai isn't part of this because somehow he can be a threat
without
Riders/Mirror stuff with his games). Now polices are utterly powerless to him as Ren remarked. But I also want to ask how Ouja can use his Veno Crash (Venosnaker kick) Final Vent
again
?? Didn't he already use that in previous episode when Knight saves Ryuki?
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Everything in the Tezuka/Shiro confrontation…
oh, man
.
The mirrors really shows their beauty this time. And about Shiro's mindset it's already covered by Switchblade, and personally to me, Shiro's mindset reminds me of people (like in fandom) who thinks someone is cowardly because they don't want to compete in something (accusing them as afraid to lose instead of being peaceful), no ifs, ands, or buts. You ignored the Rider/card stuff from latest reply but let's talk about the card Shiro gave to Tezuka, which is a pretty new stuff (to a watcher like you). Knowing that Shiro gives advantages to those he deems weak/cowardly, this should be used as a tactic by an unrepentant Rider to gain an advantage in battle by pretending to be a hero who wants to save everyone until Shiro gives you the upgrade.
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Kamen Rider Die
It’s Ren telling Yui to leave it alone, to leave it to the Riders. Yui’s only real push back is a vague But I Can’t. If ever there was a point for Yui to reassert her importance to the story, to be more than a damsel, this was it. She doesn’t, and it’s another missed opportunity for the character to feel vital. But! That whole scene is shot
gorgeously
, with the cool blue of the moonlight soaking the room, letting the emotions feel suffused, enveloped by stillness.
This scene really shows what Kobayashi and Satoshi Matsuda think about these 2; aka them being surrogate siblings. I lowkey brought up this scene when bringing up the review before in my previous reply where she won't stop getting to know about the truth even if it hurts her (collapsing here) and doesn't want him to worry like that. Dunno if, her asking for her childhood pictures to her aunt can count as the Kanzaki siblings' past is an integral part of this, as the other info Tezuka gained is also about the past (Kanzaki siblings as a child, about the explosion).
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Kamen Rider Die
This pullback, when Tezuka says that he’s the next Rider fated to die!
So great.
A lot of the episode is built around Tezuka, his backstory, his motivation.
Now it's clear. The exact reason why Tezuka is the
only
other heroic Rider than Shinji is...because he too, isn't a chosen Rider like him! Shiro chooses morally ambiguous people as Riders, but the upstanding ones are..not chosen, see the pattern? And this is the scene I talk about when you called Tezuka even-tempered. Instead here he completely loses himself there that even Shinji is shocked. And (joke) dude Tezuka, shoving Shinji like that when you borrowed a weapon from him to gain upper hand on Guldthunder? I know you're revenge-obsessed but that's not nice of you. Would Guldthunder function better than Evildiver as a Contract Monster? He seems to have more varied powers, but I think flying Contract Monsters like Evildiver seems quite untouchable.
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Kamen Rider Die
There’s a point in the Goro/Asakura sidewalk standoff where a train passes by.
Yeah there Asakura's stunt of using Mirror World to fake his death won't last for long. Well previously it was the girls getting kidnapped but Goro...of all people... is getting kidnapped?! Where Asakura holds him hostage in a car to bait Kitaoka. We don't really get to see 2 fighter humans going all out though right there. And Kitaoka, what's with your attitude at the end? The only person you care is held hostage by Asakura and you seem undaunted? Probably he doesn't want to satisfy Asakura and Goro may be able to fight him back?
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