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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider 555
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07-01-2020, 03:45 PM
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Sh Ranger
That's the thing about Orphenochs. Any human can become one if they have the right genetics. So I guess it's reasonable to presume that Takumi has the means but only becomes one in the movie which makes sense with him being part of the human resistance before getting captured and maybe executed by Smart Brain leading to his revival as an Orphenoch. That's a way of looking at it for sure. Or maybe he already died a long time ago like in the show. Either way, you could have easily dismissed it as only happening in this alternate continuity due to events happening offscreen but it would have been a shame if you risked learning such an unpredictable plot twist too early.
Yeah, I think everyone was right to suggest saving the movie until the end of the show. Seeing it in the middle wouldn't've gained me anything (it's
so
outside the normal status quo and stakes), and, yeah, I might've ended up seeing Takkun Orphnoch coming.
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Sh Ranger
Since you expressed surprised at Murakami, the
Head
of Smart Brain, I guess you didn't read the prequel I linked? This is one of those weirder parts that get explained.
I didn't, I'm sorry! I appreciate the link, and I want to get to it soon, but there just wasn't time before watching the movie.
As it is, though, I think I like approaching the movie as its own discrete unit of entertainment? I'm not a fan of supplementary entertainment filling in gaps in the narrative. Like, Murakami's a head in a jar, it is never addressed, the end. There's something so
pure
about that idea, the commitment to an absurd visual.
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Sh Ranger
His redemption doesn't require a speech or show of mercy, it just kind of happens. At least he gets to have a dying speech to Takumi entrusting him to take over his ideals so he still believed in doing the right thing. It's a good scene but how they got there is a little contrived.
I'm probably reading too much into it (my new catchphrase?), but I think the movie sort-of tries to establish why Yuuji had a change of heart and sacrificed himself at the end.
I think him seeing Mari and Takumi cheering each other on got to him, reminded him of why he had previously sacrificed so much. Stepping in front of Mari... she symbolized all of humanity at that point, the ones who'd accept Orphnochs. It's clouded substantially by his (I'd assume) belief that Mari had betrayed him, but maybe Yuuji's belief in Takumi overcame that apprehension?
I don't know. It's not really explicated, but I think you could maybe infer enough about those three characters to pull Yuuji's decision into focus. It's still not great, though!
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Sh Ranger
While I'll defend Kusaka's status as an antihero in the show, the Kusaka in this movie is a very different Kusaka. You can't even call him a protector of humanity anymore due to his actions in the prequel and Mari coldly calls him by his given name "Masato" instead of the more affectionate "Kusaka-kun". For her to call him like that, it's clear even without reading the prequel that their relationship is in a very different place.
He's such a pushy creep in this movie!
This definitely feels like their mid-series relationship, where Kusaka can't stop being super inappropriate and Mari is tired of trying to spare his feelings. It's my favorite version of their relationship
by far.
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Sh Ranger
I'm glad that the emotional center of the movie was the friendship between Takumi and Mari since they're the first two main characters to meet in the show and they become very fond of each other. That's what made me invested in the movie, despite the problem with Kiba. Keitarou having his big heroic moment as Kaixa was cool as well and I prefer him as Kaixa to the Kusaka in this continuity. Keitarou deserved to be a Kamen Rider at least once.
Yeah, they found some space to give Keitaro a little heroism, a chance to show his worth. I don't know that I'd be into it in the main continuity (Keitaro shouldn't be a fighter!), but it's definitely a fun fan-service moment, him getting a Rider Kick in.
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Sh Ranger
Thanks for the vision of Tim Allen as a Kamen Rider. Psyga is my favorite of the two movie Riders as well. Purple though? His Photon Blood is blue and resemble veins. Are you referring to his visor? You could call that a shade of purple I guess but it's lighter and redder than Kaixa's so I call it pink. It's a cool color combo though with the white suit in contrast to the usual black. Very Necrom. I thought his jetpack guns were awesome! His quirk of speaking only in fluent English made his character very distinct.
Is it blue? It looked purple to me. Maybe the coloring of the visor overpowered the other colors in my memory? Dunno!
Also, yeah, it is a bit Necrom, isn't it? All the white, that round eye... Good catch!
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Sh Ranger
It looks like Yuka/Kaido is canon in this continuity and Kaido reciprocates her feelings. Keitarou and Yuka barely interact. I still favor Keitarou/Yuka in the show but I feel sad for Yuka/Kaido when Kaido confesses his feelings to a fatally wounded Yuka, only to die immediately after to the same awesome CGI Elasmotherium Orphenoch.
I was mostly okay with them putting Kaido and Yuka together here, mostly because Yuka has a lot more confidence in this one. The TV series makes it more of an unrequited crush, and she's so fawning with Kaido that it felt forced, performative. The movie lets her call him on his shit early and often, leading to the reveal that they'd always been in love, but Kaido was too dense to notice it. I like that take!
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Sh Ranger
P.S. How fortuitous that I should reach my 100th post around the same time as the thread's 100th page!
Congrats! And thanks for all of your thoughts on Faiz!
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