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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Den-O
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04-17-2021, 02:03 PM
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Kamen Rider Die
Fair! That is a contradictory expectation. I guess there's a difference between the limited information a character has (like Ryutaros) and the more detailed information the viewer has, and it makes it difficult for me to see how any viewer would think Ura has been working them for a year. Luckily, the show tips its hand quick enough for it to not really be a big deal.
Yeah, a kid with fourth wall awareness is capable of making better judgement about other people than a kid without, who only has his own experiences to draw from. Also, Ryutaros has only recently learned to dissociate between reality and imagination and he's prone to manipulation from people like Gaoh. Manipulation is definitely a part of Urataros' skillset.
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Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 49 - “THE CLIMAX GOES ON, NO MATTER WHAT”
The last few days, I honestly didn't know if I even
liked
this show. Was I just talking myself into it? Was I fixating on the few things I liked while trying to diminish the many things I didn’t? (ha ha) Did I
want
to like Den-O more than I actually
liked
Den-O?
And then there’s this finale, and I can’t stop crying, so I guess I really liked Den-O.
It's all there in the title. All of the plot, the mystery, the confusion, none of that matters. That's not what Den-O is about. The climax goes on, cause of the passionate feelings shared by the characters and the memories they cherish from their adventures. Those things don't go away even with the flow of time, since the past is the foundation that creates the way for the future. That's why these characters can keep coming back, no matter the plot or the villains they face, since people will always remember them and the connections they made across time.
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Kamen Rider Die
The plot machinations, the Time Nonsense, it’s whatever. I’ll talk more about its strengths and weaknesses tomorrow in the Series Wrap-Up post (which feels like it’s going to be massive; lot of topics to cover), but for this episode, it existed mostly to be a thing to defeat. Like most of the junction point stuff, the Hana reveal is one that feels right while falling apart the second you try and explain it. She’s the safety net that keeps Kai from winning long enough for the heroes to defeat him. It’s difficult to parse and full of underexplained elements (there was a timeline once where Hana was raised by her parents but Sakurai erased her memory of it, I guess?), and it all shows up way later than you’d like, but it’s fine. It’s just there to allow for a victory condition. It’s not the point of any of this.
Well Sakurai can't really erase Kohana's memories, since she's a Singularity Point. Any changes in her past have no effect on her, so she remembers the events of overwritten timelines. It's probably since she was so young when Airi and Sakurai sent her away that she has no memories of that time. However, this does finally explain why she was de-aged after Zeronos used up the last of his Altair/Vega cards, since they included Sakurai's memories of her. It's a shame all this plot twist gets is a flashback and a quick expository line from Kohana, since she doesn't really get much opportunity to react to it. Suddenly being related to several main characters seems like it would be more of a big deal. Imagine how many unfortunate Ryoutarou/Kohana shippers (this used to be popular) had their hopes crushed though!
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Kamen Rider Die
Having the Imagin just
disappear
after Kai’s defeated is heartbreaking. No tearful goodbyes or supportive morals, they’re just gone. It’s impossible not to feel shocked by that, to not have that visceral stab of loss push you to tears. All these characters you spent a series with, and that’s it. Gone. Ryotaro’s grief was just a mirror of what I was going through. Like Yuuto, I’d’ve eaten a thousand bowls of (gross) mushrooms to honor Deneb’s passing. It’s incredibly effective as tragedy.
For sure, the scene with Yuto eating the mushrooms and crying over Deneb is probably the saddest moment of the finale for me and the most I've ever related to Yuto.
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Kamen Rider Die
It’s this impossibly difficult transition from tears of sadness to tears of relief, and I’ll probably praise Kobayashi for it forever. As frustrating as her inability to do a mystery plot is (her skipping one in OOO, or at least not calling it out, is probably why it’s my favorite work of hers so far), her ability to nail emotion is unsurpassed.
My favorite Kobayashi KR show is actually this one, Kamen Rider Den-O, while my favorite Kobayashi Tokusatsu show overall is Timeranger.
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Kamen Rider Die
-The Death Imagin wasn’t even really a character, but I liked the visual of everyone sharing a finisher on him. It’s teamwork, and friendship, and everyone winning the day together. Pretty much how the final move in Den-O should go.
I think Death Imagin might be even more unpopular than Kai. Actually, on the first watch, I thought they were the same character, since Death doesn't really have one of his own.
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DreadBringer
Really? There's a reason why I'm so afraid of committing mistakes like that, because never live it down is a thing, and depends on the community but there can be those where if that person makes a mistake, others will just constantly bring up that one mistake and urge others to take anything they say with a grain of salt due to that mistake.
If that person makes a mistake, ignores it and repeats it frequently, then they will gain a reputation for being incredulous. But if they acknowledge it, then they can learn from it, which makes it less likely to happen again in the future. Being wrong is just an opportunity to become more right. Like Die said, it's better to judge people by the entirety of their actions, rather than letting one negative action overshadow all their good contributions. It can be helpful for that person to know that their mistake isn't unique to them and that there are others who blunder the same way.
Maybe PM me if you want to reply to this since Die doesn't want any more comments on this subject.
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