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DS Wants You! To Watch Toku(-inspired) Anime!
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07-19-2020, 06:27 PM
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DreamSword
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Originally Posted by
Deepsea
Well I regret not watching this with you all now.
No worries! Should you ever watch the show for yourself, feel free to come back and give your overall thoughts on it!
That goes for anyone else who comes by this thread and watches any of the shows covered here as well. I added a clarification to the opening post that there's no time limit on discussing any of the shows covered in this thread or any of their various aspects. So if at any time someone wants to debate the three endings of Animated Kikaider, go for it! Speaking of which...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
My thoughts are extraordinarily scattered on this right now, so hopefully I can make myself write something that at least makes sense. After finally sitting down to watch the last episode of the 01 OVA, it left me with a lot of very complex, conflicting feelings I wasn't sure how to articulate.
Yeah it most certainly has that effect, haha. And don't worry, I totally got where you were coming from with the rest of what you said(or atleast I hope I did!)
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In an attempt to get a little extra clarity, I went back and read Igadevil's old Ishinomori Week articles on both
Kikaider
and
Kikaider 01
, which are mainly about the live-action shows, but do a ton of comparing and contrasting between them, the manga, and the animated version, which is obviously the subject here. And, to go on a brief tangent, for anyone who's never heard of those articles, I
highly
recommend giving them a look if you've any interest in classic tokusatsu, and maybe even more so if you
don't
. They're in a bit of a state of disrepair, with all the pictures missing, unfortunately, but even with text alone, Igadevil is a fan among fans, who describes the material with an infectious enthusiasm and a very informed perspective. For a lot of the series covered, those are probably the most in-depth English-language writing ever done about them, even. A++ work. Everything I know about talking about tokusatsu, I learned from this guy.
I skimmed them both and yeah, that guy definitely has a passion. Will definitely read them in full once my work week is over!
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But getting back to the subject at hand, the whole point in doing that was in part to get a refresher on how many liberties the animated version was taking, and in part just to see if Igadevil's reading of it would maybe help me work out my own perspective. It, uh, didn't exactly do that last thing. "It's kind of hard to say exactly how I feel about it" is basically where I was already at. It might also really be the ultimate answer here, though. I supremely respect the story being told, and both the commitment and thought put into its execution, but overall, Kikaider 01 The Animation left me pretty cold. Unlike the main series, the body of it is a lot less melodramatic introspection, and a lot more jam-packed action, while the ending is something I appreciate on an almost strictly analytical level. I thought everything being said, all the points being made, they all made sense, and they fit, but it wasn't something I
felt
the same way as the slightly more understated resolution of the first stretch of the story.
I see what you're getting at. It's part of the reason I prefer to think as the 01 OVA as a direct continuation or extension to the original show, like how the dub treated it, rather than as a sequel. And while yeah, 01 is certainly more action-y, there were still plenty of moments I felt where the team behind it most certainly tried to keep some of the various thematic aspects of the original.
That sort of thing is most definitely not going to work for everyone though. Outside of the ending, I think the thing I most enjoyed about the 01 section overall was Jiro trying to pass on what he'd learned over time onto others, for better and for worse. I do think that perhaps 1 more episode would've helped things out a bit more though. SPEAKING OF WHICH....
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Kikaider vs Inazuman and why it's cool.
Yeah, I actually was debating on whether I should cover it or not all things considered. But you did a great job breaking it down, so consider it an official guest post, haha. And before I get into details, those who don't really jive with 01's' ending definitely end up rather liking the crossover's' take on concluding things. I however, have to disagree.
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It's an ending that takes a much more optimistic stance without really undercutting the ambiguity or removing the consequences of the original conclusion, and it works wonderfully for people like me who weren't totally satisfied with the 01 OVA's rather disheartening final scenes.
Mmmostly. Personally I prefer to think of the crossover as an epilogue, rather than an outright ending. If you're down for a much more optimistic take on things, yeah, I can totally see why someone would prefer this as an ending, but for me, I felt as though the tragic ending of 01 just fit things much more as a whole. And I most certainly didn't like how it straight up went "Nah Jiro is still a robot." Like, okay yeah, installing something into a robot that turns them into an actual, biological, human doesn't make any logical sense, but in terms of pure thematics? Oh yeah, I dug that. Especially given how the story sort of frames itself as a deconstruction of Pinocchio. But even then, 01 leaves that aspect rather ambiguous.
I've heard alot of debates about the pros and cons of the three endings the show has. Funnily enough the one with the least amount of votes tends to be the TV show's' ending, atleast in my experience. Most debates came down to 01 vs Guitar. And I made it clear which side I stand on.
Maybe it'd help if I knew anything at all about Inazuman? Although the episode itself really does tell you everything you need to know. I guess in the end what it mainly comes down to is if you prefer stories like this to end on either a Tragic or an Optimistic note. Me personally, I tend to flipflop. Like, I love this ending, but I absolutely did not like Faiz's' ending, to give an example everyone might understand. But I suppose that's a whole 'nother discussion I'm veering into.
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Even if it did all end there, though, I definitely wouldn't have regretted taking the time to finally sit down with some version or another of Kikaider. It's a property that leaves you rather spoiled for choice when it comes to ways to get into it, which is maybe why it's taken me this long, but I definitely feel like I picked a good one. Thank you, DreamSword, for making this thread and finally giving me that extra push. You said upfront you wanted to get people to give these shows a shot, so take heart in knowing you've definitely made at least one new fan of Kikaider The Animation.
No no, thank YOU so much for being willing to give this show a shot. Like I said, for any of the shows I end up covering in this thread, if I can get atleast one new person aware that they even exist, let alone watch them themselves, that is a huge victory in my book.
Which reminds me, does anyone have any suggestions on what I should cover next? It'll be a minute, since I wanna finish up my current watch of Fourze(and maybe finally watch Ultraman Nexus like I've been meaning to), but I'm definitely open to suggestions! Or, heck, if someone wants to take temp-control of the thread and cover a toku-anime they really love, by all means, go for it! I'll be sure to follow along and add it to the Index(which is now on the opening post).
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