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Kamen Rider Zi-O Episode 7- "Magic Showtime 2018!" Discussion
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10-16-2018, 10:35 PM
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Another small detail I liked in this episode was the beginning with the Uncle at 9 to 5. His comments about fixing broken things and sometimes clocks. Then we get the rest of the episode, and see elements of how Geiz and Tsukuyomi are broken in how they reacted to the Another Rider. Which then comes back to how they now live there.
Which seems rather perfect to hint at that with Wizard considering his story and origin basis.
*Edit* Another interesting detail this episode brought up that seems like a really big deal is that apparently Another Riders can revert to human even while the Another Rider watch is still active in them. We haven't seen that before. Seems like what could become a really important detail to not bring up. Another Riders can apparently still maintain a human identity and don't always become mindless like Another Build did.
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You are trying to apply English thinking to Japanese language. That is not how any of that works. If you pay attention the term is a common horificic and it's ridiculous to read too much of it. I would say it would like trying to read a deep meaning behind one character calling another "miss." Sure, it means something, but nothing of real significance. It's a highly informal honorific, which given that she's a rebel with no status and he's a high servant of the king is not at all surprising. It's exactly how you'd expect him to address her.
Or maybe we'll see. Because in previous rider shows, like I've said, they use it usually only in terms of endearment (Faiz with Tak-Kun as a teasing nickname, and others that have done similar) Or in terms of belittlement. (Also easy example with Faiz in how Takumi took offense to the nickname as have others in other media that used kun unless they were crushing on the person that said it or good friends with. But Faiz seems like a poignant example to reference considering this episode is right after the Fourze/Faiz episodes.)
So the implications are still there. And actually no, I'm not applying english to this, I'm applying common uses from other media(other japanese live media or anime) as well that uses it. Except in terms of an elder(Teacher or parent or other older similar forms of authority, though not as common because it usually carries connotations of familiarity or condescension), it's more often used as belittlement or endearment. With usually an emphasis on the person having it said to them should take offense as if being talked down to depending on the dynamic and closeness of the relationship/friendship. And Woz made it a big point that they are from the same time period at the beginning. Same as he made it a point not to talk down to Geiz as much but had pointed jabs in other ways(which goes to also how he wanted to get Geiz to help influence Sougo, so Woz 'needed something' from him, where Tsukuyomi displayed empathy, granted flawed empathy at the time considering what she tried to rationalize). So he is intentionally goading them and prodding them.
But if you also look at the other points that are all in show story and details, I also substantiated why that choice was seemingly intentional and character defining. Especially since Woz doesn't use it in his narrations either when referencing them, which means it was intentionally pointed in direct conversation as a belittlement remark. Now whether "young" was an appropriate translation is a good question, but "little" may have been too pointed for belittlement in that scene as yet, and to convey it to the audience, the basic suffix adding on doesn't seem accurate either in this case because the talking down aspect seemed more emphatic(and literal visually from positioning). But Woz was indeed intentionally talking down to her(with an emphasis of calling her naive without calling her naive directly, implying something she's going to learn or grow out of later). Which goes back to character motivations, their history as he revealed with the Geiz interaction, and how he knows more of the timeline than he lets on as he lets the audience know at the beginning and end of every episode. Which also goes back to that "Sebastian to Sougo's Ciel" aspect of Woz's current character arc.
So the rest of how I substantiated that still stands. Woz does know what will happen to them or in his view has happened to older them. Same as he knows how younger Sougo's life is supposed to unfold with them in it too, as he works for older Sougo. We've already had other episodes establish this. Literally episode 1 with how Woz already knew Geiz was stalking Sougo and how it was supposed to happen because from Woz's view, it already has happened.
But please, do go on trying to lecture me about "English thinking" and making yourself look bad. I'm rather used to it from arrogant "fanboys" and how often the shows themselves prove them wrong.
It's eye roll inducing on my side for various reasons. This episode was really loaded with side details and character building using a wide array of film/story techniques to do so without directly saying it to the audience through heavy handed exposition. Same as the previous episodes did this too. But again, heavy handed exposition is needed for those that are too dense and oblivious to it, which this episode foreshadowed is coming.
Though it is funny you bring up "english thinking" on the Wizard episodes. Considering Wizard was heavily steeped in "English speaking" tropes. Down to even some character names like 'Rinka Daimon' or Diamond Ring, alongside other influences Wizard's show had.
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