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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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03-17-2020, 02:10 PM
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Kurona
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I can see why you'd think of it that way, but for me it never really feels that way for one particular reason: like I said, the main
story
is over. But in-universe, that story is not all there is to the lives of our heroes and the machinations of our villains; and many Rider series leave it open that way.
W sees the main criminal organisation behind the Dopants brought down, but Gaia Memory salesmen and hence Dopant crimes are still out there. Ex-Aid may have brought down Masamune's schemes and redeemed Para-DX, but as Emu lays out in the ending they still have a lot of work to do in regards to restoring people within the game data; and who knows if Kuroto's really turned over a new leaf or if any more bugsters could end up happening. Agito's mostly tied up neatly, but there's so many people out there who could still become Agitos and would need help; and for all we know even though Spooky Man has been destroyed, other Unknown could have remained.
Nothing's ever completely resolved and there's always remnants hiding in the shadows. I can totally believe that there would be some threat out there after the end of any given Rider series that our heroes would have to fight against, and that doesn't invalidate their stories or the value of an ending; it's something we could easily have assumed without the need of a Returns movie fleshing out the idea or a teamup movie giving us new antagonists. Our heroes still saved lives, still developed as people, still formed bonds and had their journey together -- it's just that there's other things remaining.
There's a couple other things aside from that, too:-
- Many Kamen Rider series play with the idea of the heroes taking up the Rider mantle being a burden that they'll have to live with, and part of their development is realising the real stakes of that and deciding to live with it. That doesn't mean "oh I'll fight for a year and then chuck my belt away", that's about a
life-long commitment
to fighting evil. For some this is in much more direct Rider related ways -- W is still fighting off Dopants, Wizard it seems is still tracking down phantoms, and... well, I don't want to spoil other series for you. But even then despite my quip of 'chucking away the belt', there's still many Riders that continue their fight without their rider powers; like Drive still being a policeman or Kuuga travelling the world spreading good will. They get happy endings, sure, but they are no less the heroes they were in their respective series and will throw on a belt to save a kid from a kaijin at a moment's notice -- or, if none are around; will still put their all into giving a big hug and advice to those in need. So from a metatextual point of view, Returns movies in this sense are fine to me in continuing aspects of the story because it is just what these Riders would do - continue to help people and save lives.
- For returns movies specifically, they've got an interesting framing device to most of them: they always put a
secondary
rider in the spotlight. Now, I'm not saying that Chase or Hiiro weren't fully fleshed out riders who needed a movie to make them good characters; what I'm saying is that they were still
secondary
characters and hence while they had their own journeys, it was still Shinnosuke and Emu whose stories their series were about. So Returns movies can feel less like retreads in this sense because it's now positioning different people as the main characters.
... this is all in principle and theory, anyway. Another Ending: Brave & Snipe was a very dire movie that at best just retold the development of Hiiro and Taiga by regressing them and making pretty rubbish and dissatisfying choices, to the extent that I could barely tell you a thing about the movie other than remembering that one scene where Taiga became Chronus again. i don't even remember why he did.
But you know! It
could
have been good! It
could
have been a new story about these characters that put them in the spotlight and hence wouldn't feel like they were retconning or retelling their journeys! It could have been...
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