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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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05-04-2020, 12:04 PM
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Kamen Rider Die
For its DNA, there are a bunch of different things it seems to be referencing. Trading card games, for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were already huge hits in Japan by the time Ryuki aired, so the idea of two people fighting through monsters, it’s an easy way in to the show. Battle Royale was also a huge hit by this point, although (hopefully!) to an older audience than watched Kamen Rider. But you can see how the conflicts in that book/movie could sneak into this kids’ show, a broad mix of characters with singular motivations and all the reasons in the world to distrust one another. There’s also Highlander, with the prize at the end.
About Pokemon...Ryuki's a total deconstruction of it (Mons part specifically). Let's say you form a contract with one of monsters. Great! Now you can use their body parts as weapons to fight people who also use their monster's body parts to fight. You also have to fight other monsters to give your monster something to eat, unless you simply feed people to your monster. If you don't fight the monsters? Then your monster gets hungry and decides to eat you. It also happens if you don't even want to fight or you're forced not to (which is why I wonder what happens if Shinji did stop the fight, and asking about optimal way to stop the war). Or even if your Advent Card or Deck get broken. And it's not like there's a good chance your monster will even be loyal to you anyways. Especially if you have other monsters snagged off their dead masters, or you just happened to luck out and contract a monster that comes in herds.
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But, man, I ended up spending
a real long time with this show
. I do my write-ups in Google Docs, and this series? Just the write-ups, none of the responses or board chatter? 86 pages. Agito was only 53. I wrote too many words about Ryuki, I think!
What are the write-ups, exactly? And different page amounts compared to the Tokunation boards? Are there any differences compared to the ones posted on the board?
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Kurona
It's a bit hard to tell if this -is- the case, but I really really like that it appears we used 'Shinji' more than 'Ryuki'. I think that's wonderful.
How about those refering him as 'Kido'... like most of people in the show?
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Kamen Rider Die
Noted! Thanks!
OK, would like to see anyone's thoughts from that essay (ideally post it in that thread too to see).
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Kamen Rider Die
I think I'd be a fan of Shiro starting the Rider Battles, being an omnipotent overseer, the gamemaster, and then have all of the combat and subterfuge and obstacles be something that generates out of the Riders.
Would that make even less investment to Shiro, and thus other things about him, if it's done that way? (he's already the god of "Non-Action Big Bad"!). I was thinking about the scenario where both Verde and Shiro participates. Also if it's done that way, would you have the impression that Shiro can stop it if he wants? (instigator yeah, but I don't think instigator means they have every control of their thing).
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There's a bunch of Reiko's investigation we never see on the show. She goes to America for several episodes, and we only find out when she gets back! I'm thinking of something where Reiko tracks down more people who knew Shiro way back when (classmates, neighbors, whatever) and as she interviews them, we get flashbacks to pertinent information: Shiro talking about Mirror World with a college roommate, Shiro telling a girlfriend about how he wants to save his sister from some mysterious fate, a fellow scientist (like Kagawa) who helped him design the Card Decks, etc. Beyond the exposition, I think it would've been helpful to ground some of Shiro's motivation, show how he got to this point.
F̶i̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶K̶a̶g̶a̶w̶a̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶n̶a̶m̶e̶.̶ Don't get me wrong, I also would like to see his scientist times (Mostly shown in Ren's amnesia part, I guess you wanted Ejima to be used for this too right? Though I think Kagawa can be a substitute for that later), but dunno but this is my take; I feel like they only show the necessary parts of Reiko's investigations once each. And I feel like, other than interactions with main casts (which didn't really give different outcome but there are some differences, for Kitaoka talk, you already know, for second Kagawa talk with Toujou, to establish Toujou targetting her), there are 2 outcomes of Reiko tracking down people... not so different from Yui; either the person is going to tell her, and gets killed by Shiro (like sending Mirror Monsters after Prof. Potratz), or the person is secretive/in denial (the Nakamura scene is almost exact same rehash), so both Reiko and audience won't get to know anything, and I guess they won't make repeated scenes with exactly same result. However Reiko getting the documents part (ep. 47) would be the one different to show the scene, and the flashbacks can be shown if the person also explains to her. Though that would be only a single scene and also a last-second info dump. W̶h̶y̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶r̶o̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶k̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶?̶ ̶B̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶m̶o̶r̶e̶?̶
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