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Kamen Rider Die watches Masked Rider Ryuki
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04-07-2020, 11:10 AM
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DreadBringer
Lol good, actually want more of this, though lately you seem to reply less... And jumping on that post too.
I'm only one man! I'm doing my best!
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For this episode, Genocider's new trait seems to be explosive spits instead of corrosive ones like Venosnaker. Explosives can be more harmful, but corrosive has long-lasting effect as an advantage I guess. I think I don't really like his Evildiver Final Vent clashing evenly with Knight
Survive
's Final Vent here. Ordinary Evildiver's FV has standard 5000 AP, Knight Survive's one has 8000 AP.
I just read it as Ouja escaping in the explosion. But, yeah, tough to tell since the next scene is Ren driving away.
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Why would Ren do anything there? Shinji was telling the other companion the same thing he told to Ren, which Ren disagrees heavily. If anything one thing he wanted to do in his mind was probably mock him again, which would ruin the situation (and kind of behavior she disapproves heavily).
But I love it when Ren deflates a situation but saying something vaguely insulting and rude.
That's one of his best attributes.
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DreadBringer
I don't think it's random? It's connected with a previous episode where Kitaoka's illness started to affect him in Rider fights where Ren remarked that he's weaker. It's more than just Ren being an asshole for turning a compliment back to him, it's a plot point where irony starts to catch up to Zolda (be a Rider to cure his illness, but cannot go on due to his illness), the illness continues until Goro notices.
I don't know, for me, it felt like information for information's sake. "Oh, we should give Goro's origin now." The events that occur in the scene are a necessary part of the overall story for Kitaoka, but it felt like they were shoehorned into this episode. Maybe it's only something that bothers me? If you felt like it was more organic, that's totally fine.
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I mean Goro is his servant, cleaning up is one of his main jobs.
hahahaha
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DreadBringer
Well to be honest regarding Rider War, I don't really know what is the actually right and reliable way to stop it. One way I thought about was killing every other Riders, trying to win and use the wish to undo the damages of the War, but that's a huge risk for a probably futile extremist way, and it's also the lesson for Ren to detach your humanity to kill other people. Or just adopt a greyer look and decide that irredeemable bastards deserve to die. Rider War is filled with morally ambiguous people that were properly chosen by Shiro, where by that logic the only purely good Riders are Shinji and Tezuka, both weren't picked. Even aside from Asakura, changing other morally ambiguous people seems to be a generally impossible task (this series, various other series except by bad writing for easy solution, and real life) like to someone such as Ren, Kitaoka, etc. Shinji's clumsiness and naivety may be the cause behind this, but even Tezuka didn't fare any better than this (other than inspiring Shinji), so I just view the Rider War problem as a whole no matter who it is. Aside from all of that, the Rider War in nature forces everyone to keep fighting or die, if Shinji actually did manage to change the Riders to stop fighting, would it spell doom to them?
It's definitely a strength of the show that, halfway through, there's no great way to stop the Rider Battles. There's a feeling that what they're doing is wrong, but everyone participates anyway. Narratively, it's a great cage for the characters, something where there's only bad options.
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Sure, Shinji's aim is to save people. But the realization next is that he needs to save Riders too as they are also people, he wants to stop the Rider War because he wants to prevent people getting killed, that includes Riders getting killed by one another. His other dilemma is "Other people's choices are other people's choices" which would contradict his aim to save people including Riders.
Man, to me, the meat of the episode and a huge turning point for Shinji's character is him deciding that "saving other Riders"
has to be secondary
. The more he tries to save Riders who don't want it, the greater the risk that he won't be there to save innocents. At a certain point, you have to decide how to do the greater good, and I feel like in this one Shinji decides to make stopping monsters and saving innocents his primary goal.
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