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05-14-2015, 08:42 PM | #51 |
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You aren't. You're just sharing your opinion, and while that is a good idea, I hardly think they'd do that for the 40th anniversary. After all, the past 15 years since Gaoranger have gone with a certain pattern for seasons, and while that would be good for a later season, it probably won't be that. Why fix what isn't broken?
As for the ideas, I don't think they'd go over that well with the audience in Japan these days. Most of those ideas (most, not all) were used in Go-Busters, and we all know what a bust that season was. We may have liked it, but Japan sure didn't. It tried be like the classic Sentai, but its ratings and toy sales bombed. Badly. I'm not trying to derail your ideas. I'm simply saying they wouldn't work for an anniversary season, especially with the trend they've been going with since Hurricanger. I could see them bringing back eyecatches, but kids like all that magic, supernatural, outer space stuff. Again, not saying it isn't a good idea. I'm simply saying it's just not a good idea for a 40th anniversary. You mentioned something important. If is not broken why fix it?. Well they already did that when Jetman came out in the 90s, after realizing that the series had fell in a long term rut, they took immediate action, replaced a veteran writer which had worked on Sentais since its inception (Gorenger), with a new one (Toshiki Inoue) who refreshed the show, the results were clear, higher ratings and increased revenue from the sales that followed. As such, like Toei at the time, I'm a firm believer in Marcus Lemonis 3P's (people, process and product), which ultimately is the key to have a sustainability and success on anything either is business or unrelated. I highly doubt that the ideas i mentioned would not do well, and as much as i like Go-Busters, they really tried to move away from being a Sentai (in the traditional sense, hence i dont see them as a classic homage) and by doing that plus other factors that came to play (which are too lengthy to explain on details) became its demise. I commend them to break the mold but the timing was not adequate. Sure, all kinds of feedback are welcomed. Much like reading yours, its interesting. I kind like the motif that you propose and as well the coins idea is good. But as a suggestion, doing an anniversary edition is more than just bringing up older teams with their costumes to be shown like puppets or replicas, it should be a homage to represent what they fought for and their spirit as a whole passed to the next team, much like what Gokaiger did with the 'Greater power' concept and as an extension to this i think Sevenlima read my mind with "they should bring back the same sense of justice of the 80s and 90s", because that's the key. Okay, going back to earth-based or tech Sentais. is really magic, nature or supernatural the only things kids in Japan find appealing these days?. i am skeptic as this reason falls in a very subjective aspect, unless there is empirical data to support these claims (but it cant as taste and empathy are unstable depending of human conscience and they cannot be modeled even using the most complex differential equations or Runge-kutta). So to put things in a straight and layman terms, if something is done right there should be no problem with its adaptation. Quote:
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If the current trend is maintained, probably something so mainstream and over goofy that even hardcore fans of today will find it hard to digest. Neither to imagine how would the kids of tomorrow be like.
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05-15-2015, 01:19 AM | #52 |
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Actually, Hibiki as a show was very popular. The major problem were the toy sales, not the ratings. And that is completely understandeable because as cool as they Hibiki toys look from an adult point of view, I probably wouldn't have liked them either as a kid.
The authors didn't feel the need to change the show so more toys could be sold (because- it wasn't broken, why fix it? The show itself wasn't the problem) and thus Toei changed the staff so they could do something about the toys. Quote:
Quite frankly, more people beyond the age and population you mentioned really want Sentais to return to its roots. Am i American? no, Am i a teenage?, i wish. Am i an adult? yes, and i really enjoyed sentais as a child, i was introduced to them first and i didn't mind if the story was dark or had a serious tone, in fact it was interesting because at the time, they did cared for building up a concept and as such it was easier for the kids to relate with something that could happen (more or less) taking out the fact that it was just fiction, but when Toei began to rely heavily in supernatural plots and out of this world solutions plus emphasizing more animation generated content, it became like something cheap and disposable. In the long term yields predictable scenarios and plots plus Kids now accustom to the idea that a deus ex machina (magic, nature, or whatever) will make things to get solved.
Military Sentai was very popular in a time that was not too long after WWII, with many serious global crises going on (there's still some, but let's say the overall atmosphere was different). For a world in which conflicts felt extremely close and real, people wanted to have heroes that felt real to tackle those problems. Younger generations grew up in a somewhat more peaceful time. In the Heisei era, more fantastic concepts are popular, we like to keep war where it is- far away from us. That's of course a personal theory, but I think this is where it comes from. Also, you're heavily overreacting on the magic thing. Sentai with magical themes are not just some godly power solving some problem. Take Magiranger for example. Yes, they use magic. But they create magic by being brave. The more mental power they have, the more magic they can use. It's not about some power from outside helping them out when they're in trouble. It's about growing stronger as a person, being rewarded with a power to solve your problems, presented metaphorically through magic here. Same with Goseiger. The Goseigers ultimately defeat the main villain not because some greater power helps them out, but because they accept their own inexperience and decide to grow stronger, creating a power to save the world by changing their mental state. Quote:
Don't cry for something being mainstream if you want another time's mainstream back. Please. Also, 80's Sentai is super goofy as well. I mean, look at this! Someone mentions Nessie and this is what the Sun Vulcan members do: making goofy poses and chant "Nessie! Nessie! Nessie!". How is that less goofy than today's Sentai? And not only the heroes where goofy, but also the villains: Excuse me, but saying today's Sentai was childish and not serious enough doesn't work, when you completely ignore that Sentai was always goofy and for children. It was a bit grittier back in the day (which is also due to the time when it was broadcast- you can do darker stuff in the evening, when the whole family watches it, than in the morning, when it's mostly just children), but overall, Sentai is still Sentai. |
05-15-2015, 03:45 AM | #53 |
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Okay, going back to earth-based or tech Sentais. is really magic, nature or supernatural the only things kids in Japan find appealing these days?. i am skeptic as this reason falls in a very subjective aspect, unless there is empirical data to support these claims (but it cant as taste and empathy are unstable depending of human conscience and they cannot be modeled even using the most complex differential equations or Runge-kutta). So to put things in a straight and layman terms, if something is done right there should be no problem with its adaptation.
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Sentais always had an identity, but I disagree that it was a good move to depart from that definition. But only time will say.
If the current trend is maintained, probably something so mainstream and over goofy that even hardcore fans of today will find it hard to digest. Neither to imagine how would the kids of tomorrow be like. If it went back to an evening time slot, I can guarantee we would see a marked change in how the show is made. |
05-26-2015, 07:29 PM | #54 |
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sports theme might work
but i can be selfish and ask for a cops theme Last edited by koinzell; 05-26-2015 at 07:32 PM.. |
06-26-2015, 03:39 PM | #55 |
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For me Sentai will always be for children at its heart and thats okay when you look at the children dancing at the end of Kyoryuger during the End Credits song and dance deal they are all quite young and it works especially for a show meant to be for the younger japanese audience.
Whereas with Kamen Rider there arent the End theme dances or songs because its geared to the kids that are a bit older which is why you can see things we see in Kamen Rider Wizard toward the end with Koyomi Haruto's relationship there while then next moment we can turn around and see Den-O or Fruit Samurai. Its all about the audience and the people buying the toys. As for the western theme I love the idea and I think Kids the world over would love the idea hell a big childrens show on the Dicney Junior channel is Sherrif Cally's Wild West about a sherrif cat. and thats fairly popular its self
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i like 5 heroes with humaniod robot with no transform like battle fever j
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