[Wrath663]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Exactly. What I'm saying it that sucks and the Energy Riders would've been way better with weapon variety. I know what the reason is, I've been saying this whole time what the reason is, but "reason" does not mean "adequecy."

I'm fine with the energy riders having the same weapon. It just made it feel like a higher thing only a few can have.

All these kids with there fruit toys and the adults with this bad ass bladed bows.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Wrath663

I'm fine with the energy riders having the same weapon. It just made it feel like a higher thing only a few can have.

All these kids with there fruit toys and the adults with this bad ass bladed bows.

"Only a few" is like seven different characters/forms.

And it's not really badass at all, it's just a tech bow/arrow. It has no motif, no creative design. It functions like any other toy bow and arrow, limits posing ability, and just looks gross with so many characters weilding it. It aesthetically clashes where the unique weapons didn't.

"All these kids with their fruit weapons" is massively more entertaining, creative, and fun than these so-called "adults" and their one lame ass weapon that the show said is cool, but really isn't.

[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

It has no motif

Color-scheme and design of the Genesis Driver is the motif, which is a futuristic, mechanical design with clear bendy straw elements. The Sonic Arrow perfectly fits the Driver, which is fitting to the story since the Driver is built to work with artificial lockseeds, so the new weapon implemented looks like the Driver design-wise.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

no creative design.

That's BS and you know it. They obviously put a lot of thought into the design and functionality and it shows.

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It functions like any other toy bow and arrow

Because it is a bow and arrow. What should it do to be different? A bow and arrow shoots people, they implemented blades so it can be used as a sword-like weapon. What else could a bow do that isn’t completely ridiculous?

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

limits posing ability

On what? The SHF's? If so then that's also BS.

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and just looks gross with so many characters weilding it.

Eh.. what?

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It aesthetically clashes where the unique weapons didn't.

Don't think so. It fits the belt perfectly just like the other unique weapons fit their armor perfectly. If the weapons "aesthetically clash" with all the suits then the Genesis Driver does the same. And in continuation the Sengoku Driver for the basic armor, just because it isn't sharing every aesthetic of every armor.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

"All these kids with their fruit weapons" is massively more entertaining, creative, and fun than these so-called "adults" and their one lame ass weapon that the show said is cool, but really isn't.

This isn't like you dude. I remember thanking you on TFW because you always go up against the idiots who can't stop shit talking about a toy or a design. Lately I always see you in conflicts which you'd normally try to avoid and prevent.

[ZeoRangerV]

I assume he means "posing variety" rather than ability?

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

"Only a few" is like seven different characters/forms.

Even if you were to include Mitsuzane's time as Zangetsu-Shin (and I wouldn't since he was just using his brother's gear, so it makes sense that he'd have the same weapon), the number of Sonic Arrow forms wouldn't even comprise half of the total number of the show's forms. And when you consider that 3 of the Riders in the show weren't even suppose to have access to energy drivers in the first place, I could very well see that the Sonic Arrow was only intended for a select few.

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And it's not really badass at all, it's just a tech bow/arrow.

Nothing about that makes it not badass.

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It has no motif, no creative design.

It does have a motif. It's suppose to replicate the design of the Genesis Driver.

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It functions like any other toy bow and arrow

That's because it's a bow and arrow. Do you complain about Gridon's hammer just being a hammer? Or Baron's lance just being a lance? Or Ryugen's gun just being a gun?

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limits posing ability

It has about as much posing ability as virtually any other weapon.

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and just looks gross with so many characters weilding it.

There's like 5 characters in the show that use it in any consistent basis.

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It aesthetically clashes where the unique weapons didn't.

How does it clash? It was quite literally designed to match one of the most instantly noticeable parts of any Kamen Rider design.

[IXRollOutIX]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

And it's not really badass at all, it's just a tech bow/arrow. It has no motif, no creative design. It functions like any other toy bow and arrow, limits posing ability, and just looks gross with so many characters weilding it. It aesthetically clashes where the unique weapons didn't.

That's all subjective, man. Stop shutting down other people's opinions with your own opinions.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Color-scheme and design of the Genesis Driver is the motif, which is a futuristic, mechanical design with clear bendy straw elements. The Sonic Arrow perfectly fits the Driver, which is fitting to the story since the Driver is built to work with artificial lockseeds, so the new weapon implemented looks like the Driver design-wise.

But that's not nearly as unique as the normal weapons. It just looks like normal techy-wepaon stuff.

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That's BS and you know it. They obviously put a lot of thought into the design and functionality and it shows.

How? It's just a bow and arrow. Not even, it's a toy bow and arrow, which is to say it lacks the arrow part. It's like Kuuga Pegasus' gun.

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Because it is a bow and arrow. What should it do to be different? A bow and arrow shoots people, they implemented blades so it can be used as a sword-like weapon. What else could a bow do that isn’t completely ridiculous?

Nothing,

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On what? The SHF's? If so then that's also BS.

Like ZeoRanger said, I meant "variety." You're gonna be hard pressed to find distinct poses between all the Energy riders.

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Eh.. what?

"Gross" as in "grossly disproportionate" or "grossly overdone." I don't know what I meant to put there, I didn't mean gross as in like a booger or something, but I guess I left out the important part of that descriptor.

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Don't think so. It fits the belt perfectly just like the other unique weapons fit their armor perfectly. If the weapons "aesthetically clash" with all the suits then the Genesis Driver does the same. And in continuation the Sengoku Driver for the basic armor, just because it isn't sharing every aesthetic of every armor.

The Genesis driver is also a small piece of equipement. Just because they share an aesthetic doesn't mean they'll both clash. A tiny little driver that's an accent piece at best isn't the same as the bigass weapon posing revolves around. The only riders I think decently pull of the Sonic Arrow are Baron and Marika, since the red gels with their colours. (Siguard kinda works, but he's more of a blood red and hsi suit colour is more drab) On everyone else it's like they took someone else's weapon.

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This isn't like you dude. I remember thanking you on TFW because you always go up against the idiots who can't stop shit talking about a toy or a design. Lately I always see you in conflicts which you'd normally try to avoid and prevent.

It takes two to tango, bro. (or in this case like four or five) All I said is I didn't like the Sonic Arrow and wished everyone had unique weapons. That literally would've been that if their weren't scads of folks trying to shut me up. Which I don't mind, but you can't villainize me without also villainizing yourself and everyone else. My position is not inherantly immoral or objectively unjustified.

Seems like you're only saying this because you don't agree with me.

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

Even if you were to include Mitsuzane's time as Zangetsu-Shin (and I wouldn't since he was just using his brother's gear, so it makes sense that he'd have the same weapon), the number of Sonic Arrow forms wouldn't even comprise half of the total number of the show's forms. And when you consider that 3 of the Riders in the show weren't even suppose to have access to energy drivers in the first place, I could very well see that the Sonic Arrow was only intended for a select few.

And yet they all became major players. Most of the middle fights of the show only include the Sonic Arrrow. Considering Giam, Baron and the energy Riders were all mainstay characters until the latter chunk, with almost all Sengoku wearers falling to the background, it was still heavily disproportionate.

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Nothing about that makes it not badass.

No, it's overuse makes it not badass. If it was one person's weapon, it'd be fine, but like big budget CGI in action films, it quickly looses it's p'zazz with saturation. But really, as a main weapon, none of those aspects are cool enoughto justify it's use.

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It does have a motif. It's suppose to replicate the design of the Genesis Driver.

Again, it matches one small part of the design. That hardly makes it a good fit for, say, the guy that's all black and dark blue now.

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That's because it's a bow and arrow. Do you complain about Gridon's hammer just being a hammer? Or Baron's lance just being a lance? Or Ryugen's gun just being a gun?

Except everyone one of those examples is only used by one person. (not counting Kiwami because that's it's whole gimmick, afterall)

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It has about as much posing ability as virtually any other weapon.

Except again, that's really limiting things when you realise just how many main charatcers used it.

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There's like 5 characters in the show that use it in any consistent basis.

And they're the main five characters.

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How does it clash? It was quite literally designed to match one of the most instantly noticeable parts of any Kamen Rider design.

How does the Sonic Arrow match the helmets or armour? You mean the belt? No way is the belt the most noticable part of any Rider design. It's a focal point, but especially in Gaim, the torso and head are always the most recognisable part.

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Originally Posted by IXRollOutIX

That's all subjective, man. Stop shutting down other people's opinions with your own opinions.

Then why are they allowed to? I'm doing nothing different from everyone else.

Yeah it's subjective, everything is subjective. Just because I don't pointlessly drop an asinine "IMO" after every sentence doesn't mean I think otherwise. You know that, I know that. Nobody else is saying "in my opinion."

[IXRollOutIX]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Then why are they allowed to? I'm doing nothing different from everyone else.

Yeah it's subjective, everything is subjective. Just because I don't pointlessly drop an asinine "IMO" after every sentence doesn't mean I think otherwise. You know that, I know that. Nobody else is saying "in my opinion."

You're clearly being WAY more aggressive than anyone else. It's not that you're just fronting your opinions, it's that you're doing it in such a "your own opinions are flawed and you're stupid for it" kind of way. Compared to the rest, you're coming across as excessively hostile, here.

...By the way. Remember when this thread was about S.H. Figuarts and not a pointless argument about silly weapons? Seems distant now.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by IXRollOutIX

You're clearly being WAY more aggressive than anyone else.

How so? Is it my post size? Because I'd cut it down but I don't want to just ignore people or parts of their posts.

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It's not that you're just fronting your opinions, it's that you're doing it in such a "your own opinions are flawed and you're stupid for it" kind of way. Compared to the rest, you're coming across as excessively hostile, here.

Then that's a personal problem, because I'm not. I didn't even do the "pick apart people's posts in a billion quotes" thing. They did that to me. They started twisting logic, changing examples, vehemently defending every single angle of the thing.

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...By the way. Remember when this thread was about S.H. Figuarts and not a pointless argument about silly weapons? Seems distant now.

Remember when all I said was "I'm sick of the Sonic Arrow I wish they just had more unique weapons" and people just couldn't let me have that? It's not like I never talk about how much I love Gaim, I have Lemon Energy Baron sitting in my cart right now waiting for pay day, one little criticism shouldn't matter.

[KamenRiderOOO]

Alright guys, let's please get back on topic about Figuarts, if there is any need to further discuss the weapons, it'd probably be best to make its own thread so we don't further derail this one, okay?