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09-28-2016, 07:01 PM | #13651 |
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09-28-2016, 07:18 PM | #13652 |
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I'm the opposite on Wizard, I feel like the finale arc was the best part of the show, and still places in my favourite ones ever
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09-28-2016, 07:25 PM | #13653 |
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09-28-2016, 08:21 PM | #13654 |
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All that said, I still don't get the vitriol with which much of fandom has responded to Ghost. Even with all the above flaws taken into account, I don't think it's a bad show. I'd love to hear why you guys dislike it so much (without spoiling the last handful of episodes, obviously).
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09-28-2016, 11:04 PM | #13655 |
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The show should have just been four riders, one fire, one hurricane, one earth, and one water and introduced them over the course of a few episodes in the beginning of the show. Give each one an introductory episode, an episode of development, an episode to shine, and then bring in the next one. This way, you've already got about 12 episodes done by the time all of the main players are on stage. Also, Infinity should have come from Haruto failing at saving someone. |
09-29-2016, 01:05 AM | #13656 |
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I can't say that I really dislike it. Once I recognized that, unlike Gaim or the early Heisei series, that - oh, riiiight - Ghost is a bona fide kid's show, I'm willing to cut it some slack. That being said, it still seems a bit sloppy. Sometimes I think the stars just have to be aligned for these shows to not just fall into a jumbled mess.
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09-29-2016, 07:37 AM | #13657 |
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I agree. Just because its a kids show doesn't give them an excuse to be lazy or make a poorly written show. Kids are not stupid, hell kids today barely even have a childhood anymore thanks to technology and politics, so they need more things that make them think. Sentai and Kamen Rider need to evolve as kids have evolved, but they seem to be regressing.
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09-29-2016, 08:32 AM | #13658 |
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Generally speaking, this has always been true. I remember seeing Star Blazers and Battle of the Planets (Space Battleship Yamoto and Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, respectively) back in the late 70's and never being able to take American action cartoons seriously afterward. Anime talked to you like you could handle what they were telling you, cartoons talked to you like you were five. Of course, in the 70's and 80's, the American way of thinking was "no one over eight years old watches cartoons". Quote:
I agree. Just because its a kids show doesn't give them an excuse to be lazy or make a poorly written show. Kids are not stupid, hell kids today barely even have a childhood anymore thanks to technology and politics, so they need more things that make them think. Sentai and Kamen Rider need to evolve as kids have evolved, but they seem to be regressing.
There's also the fact that writing for a younger demographic is just easier. While you and I might have been of above average in the kind of programming we can handle and how much we were annoyed by repetition, etc., that's not true across the board. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers was an interminably goofy and poorly written program (please, set aside your nostalgia goggles) that was such a huge success that Japan's Sentai began to cop some of it's moves - a complaint I read about at the time in old school Toku curmudgeon Damon Foster's Oriental Cinema (yeah...) and Heroes on Film (compare Oh-Ranger to, say Jetman - right?). Young kids don't care about production values or shoddy writing. They LOVE repetition. And best of all, they probably have a parent who will buy them whatever they want because "kids". Plus, you hook 'em early enough, you'll have a number of them for life *cough*powerrangerz*cough*. I think the big problem with Kamen Rider Ghost is that we so often get a generally well written and teen / young adult geared KR show that, when they give something to the booger eaters, it feels completely egregious. Doubly so if it's messily executed. Of course, then you have ambition scuttling shows - like Ninninger's "choose your own adventure" take on show writing. Should have given Sentai lovers a great show in the editing room. NOPE. Apparently, Ninninger's merch sales is the worst in almost twenty years. Soooo, maybe we'll see the pendulum swing back toward an older demographic.
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09-29-2016, 09:24 PM | #13659 |
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I know there are still a handful of episodes left, and the final eight tend to be the best of any Rider series. I have hope, but if things don't get more interesting immediately, Ghost will become the Ninninger of Kamen Rider (i.e., a show that I loved for the bulk of its run but turned on when the last 10-15 episodes failed to pay anything off in emotionally resonant or interesting ways).
All that said, I still don't get the vitriol with which much of fandom has responded to Ghost. Even with all the above flaws taken into account, I don't think it's a bad show. I'd love to hear why you guys dislike it so much (without spoiling the last handful of episodes, obviously). With Ghost, on the other hand, I went from loving it to just liking it to friggin' loving it, thanks to everybody here. I'm a little too close to it at this point to be objective but I really don't think it's any worse than just "mediocre". On a more personal level, I think it's great, and I disagree with a lot of your complaints. Ghost ended up clicking with me on a really deep level and I think it's a show that, for how kiddy it looks, really rewards putting some thought into it. It's a surprisingly layered show, all things considered. Quote:
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MMPR is an amazingly written show, if you'll allow me to be cynical for a second. It's perfectly, purposely geared to exploit children in exactly the ways you're talking about. That may be kind of horrible but honestly it's kind of impressive too. It's basically THE "strictly formula" kids' show. No but really, I'm actually pretty fond of early MMPR. I think it's a lot of goofy fun with occasional hints of actually trying (Green With Evil is great).
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09-29-2016, 09:45 PM | #13660 |
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Also, I refuse to set aside the nostalgia goggles I don't have because I grew up watching Time Force and other not s*** PR shows at the same time I watched reruns of the older stuff. MMPR is an amazingly written show, if you'll allow me to be cynical for a second. It's perfectly, purposely geared to exploit children in exactly the ways you're talking about. That may be kind of horrible but honestly it's kind of impressive too. It's basically THE "strictly formula" kids' show. No but really, I'm actually pretty fond of early MMPR. I think it's a lot of goofy fun with occasional hints of actually trying (Green With Evil is great). |
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