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01-20-2020, 09:30 PM | #61 |
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Honestly, Agito is one of the most interesting riders; especially when you get farther into the lore. Its a shame we never see him just snap necks though. The shows lore is really deep but a lot of it is only avaliable through the wayback machine or the wiki. I personally wish Hojo decided that he would prove he should pilot G3 by attempting to take on gills, by himself. Just to see the absolute beatdown that would occur
I've said before that I had a real blindspot with Agito, that it didn't seem to come up a lot in recommendations and favorite lists, and, you know, I'm going to point a lot of fingers at a lot of people in this thread. This show's really good! It doesn't deserve to be ignored the way it feels like it has been! Evangelize! Proselytize! Every thread on these boards should have people talking about Agito, and if they're not talking about Agito, everyone needs to be saying "Why aren't we talking about Agito?" ...okay, that's definitely overselling it. Sorry. It's just, I assumed this show was going to be forgettably dull, based on how no one ever seemed to mention it. (I've got that feeling about Kabuto as well, same reason.) It's weird how many people here are very pro-Agito, to a degree that seems like y'all are hiding it from the world. Is it shameful to be an Agito fan? Is everyone here using dummy accounts so the real Kamen Rider fans don't find out about your heresy? It's just so weird to me. Why was this show being good such a surprise? Why doesn't it seem as heralded as fan reaction makes me think it should be? Thoughts?
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01-20-2020, 09:35 PM | #62 |
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Hey, if I haven't been singing the praises of Agito enough, it's only because I was under the impression it was universally regarded as one of the franchise's best series.
Maybe that's the problem? It's so good it goes without saying... so none of us have been saying it?
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01-20-2020, 09:50 PM | #63 |
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If I had to guess, its just that its much easier to talk about how 'avant-garde' Kuuga was, and how, well, interesting the next few shows that come immediately after Agito are.
...Or maybe there is in fact a secret conspiracy to erase Agito from the public consciousness! You're already slipping on one of the main character's names, after all... |
01-20-2020, 10:16 PM | #64 |
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I feel like the early Heisei era in general is less popular than it used to be. It's not Showa-levels of obscure, but most newer viewers are more likely to have seen Gaim, Ex-Aid, or OOO than to go back to the 00s stuff.
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01-20-2020, 11:22 PM | #65 |
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Agito definitely doesn't get enough love, and I find shows like Faiz, Kabuto, Hibki and Kiva get outright hate most times, despite the fact they are truly some of my favorites. Meanwhile, people gush over Den-O and Fourze, which while they have their strong points are low on my personal list of Rider shows. I think the newer shows just have more vocal fans. In the days of HenshinJustice Kuuga-Kabuto got a lot of love, but newer stuff has taken center stage. |
01-20-2020, 11:36 PM | #66 |
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Hey, if I haven't been singing the praises of Agito enough, it's only because I was under the impression it was universally regarded as one of the franchise's best series.
Maybe that's the problem? It's so good it goes without saying... so none of us have been saying it? Quote:
If I had to guess, its just that its much easier to talk about how 'avant-garde' Kuuga was, and how, well, interesting the next few shows that come immediately after Agito are.
...Or maybe there is in fact a secret conspiracy to erase Agito from the public consciousness! You're already slipping on one of the main character's names, after all... Quote:
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This right here^
Agito definitely doesn't get enough love, and I find shows like Faiz, Kabuto, Hibki and Kiva get outright hate most times, despite the fact they are truly some of my favorites. Meanwhile, people gush over Den-O and Fourze, which while they have their strong points are low on my personal list of Rider shows. I think the newer shows just have more vocal fans. In the days of HenshinJustice Kuuga-Kabuto got a lot of love, but newer stuff has taken center stage. For the record, I'd've also accepted "A guy who doesn't want to hear about shows he hasn't watched yet and doesn't traffic the main Kamen Rider discussion threads is maybe not the best person to declare what people are or are not talking enough about." Just, that could maybe also be a solution to my conundrum.
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01-20-2020, 11:44 PM | #67 |
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MASKED RIDER AGITO EPISODES 13 - 14
A two-parter that showed, at best, incremental movement on a few different storylines, but also a commitment to characterization and some fun choices that kept it enjoyable and entertaining. It's a weird structure, this one, in that it's incredibly straightforward. It's pretty much just one story, instead of two or three plots of varying tension. The G3/police stuff is working in unison with Shouichi/Mana stuff, trading characters between stories to enhance the momentum. Ozawa meets Shouichi, Mana keeps working with the cops, it's all happening at the same hospital as Not Shouichi (didn't catch his real/"real" name) visits Spooky Man, even Houjou's Trying Way Too Hard To Be Cool With Everything moments are used as links between scenes, only happening when a story beat needs a quick transition. Everything feels like it's pulling in the same direction, since the stakes of the monster plot are, uh, Shouichi's life. It takes an episode to get there, though. The first half spends a ton of time investigating/rehashing Mana's dad's death, sprinkling in new clues like a "blank" videotape and an inside-out tennis ball, items that don't connect all the dots much but definitely shout out This Dad's Death Is Super Weird. There's a lot of the investigation, coupled with the one Ryou scene (One! Was he busy filming the non-existent Agito/Kuuga movie?), that starts to get all the various mysteries into one Big Mystery. It's about time! It was clear from the start that all of this would be the season plot, the superpowers and mysterious deaths and ancient DNA and boat accidents and amnesia, so it was only a matter of time until it all came together. That time is, uh, still not here! It's cool that there's a focus on big plots that mean something to the whole cast, I'm way more into that than a random Unknown story, but we're still very much in the Asking Questions phase. Not a phase I want to spend a ton of time in, but it's still a necessary phase. The monster plot, though, really fun. Shouichi's first fight with the Scorpion Unknown ends with a poisoned Shouichi and a ticking clock of 24 hours until he dies, which the show?€? completely ignores? I mean, a few characters bring it up, but Shouichi doesn't really care, and I thought that was an amazing choice for the show to make. It's a great demonstration of Shouichi's?€? mindfulness? Shouichi's a very present-tense character, to the degree that his recent expressed desire was to only ever live in the now. He's a neat thematic foil to characters like Ryou and Nijou, characters whose heads are anywhere but right now. They're investigating mysteries of the past, reconciling what they thought they knew with what secrets have been hidden from them. Shouichi is emphatically not that guy. He's told he'll be dead in a day, and he's like But I Still Have To Bake A Cake. There's a point where Nijou has to remind him he'll be dead in four hours, and he's like But I Need To Weed My Garden. (It most reminded me of my favorite early Ghost bit, where Takeru uses the Eyecons to save Kanon, and everyone is trying to save him except him. He's zen about it, willing to accept the cost of his choice. The second episode of this story had that same feeling, even though the character approaches were slightly different.) It's only when he realizes that his death would mean that Mana would be unprotected that he acknowledges that maybe he should care slightly about the next day. It's an incredibly sweet version of a character, a guy who lives every day like it's his last by treating everything in his day as something to enjoy and celebrate. It's an abdication of the terror of mortality by embracing the enlightenment of usefulness. It's someone who sees every other moment as less important than this moment, right now, and the thing that he's doing. It is, like a lot of Shouichi stuff on this show, a fascinating way to build a main character. Oh! One last thing! I was super bored at work today, which led to me being real active on the boards, to maybe an irritating degree. It felt overactive. Sorry if I got a little too post-y today in anyone's threads. I don't want to be a nuisance!
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01-20-2020, 11:56 PM | #68 |
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01-21-2020, 12:12 AM | #69 |
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Anyway, I kept thinking about that mindfulness thing, about Shouichi. So much of his character, even the Agito part, is about the now, the moment. Like, his Agito Sense is This Is Happening Right Now. It's not a warning of the future, he doesn't last past a current attack, it's only good for now. And then, when a fight's over, it's just over for Shouichi. He's not trying to track down the Unknown, figure out their plan, stop them at the source, none of it. They show up, he fights them, that's it. All of that should be infuriating to me. It should drive me insane, the sheer stubbornness to engage with the plot of the show. But, it's the opposite? I really love how unconcerned he is with the monster attacks, the mysteries, the why of it all. Saving lives is important, but so is baking a cake and having Nijou try some cabbage and buying a mackerel or two. Everything's important, so anything he does is worth being in the show. (I could 100% be okay with Shouichi and four ladies bake cakes, no joke.) His.. I don't know, equanimity? It's calming and valuable, and I really like seeing how the show positions it as a pillar of storytelling.
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01-21-2020, 12:15 AM | #70 |
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The only thing I will say about kabuto is that the suits look great, the action is great, the main character is about as interesting as a brick wall. They kinda wrote themselves into a corner and the plot devolves into a mess rather quickly. That is why you don't make your main character "good at everything"
Also, when you said kuuga/agito movie the only thing that came to mind was inexplicably, a dance battle between the main two riders. I have no idea why; but I want to see a dance off between agito and kuuga |
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