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01-11-2021, 11:36 PM | #591 |
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I really love Hyper Form's proper debut. It's another one of those things I've always vividly remembered from Kabuto. When I think of the single moment that most defines Tendou to me, it's always been the one where he declares that he's already taken ahold of the future, and summons his own big power-up from beyond the reaches of time itself, mere moments after it was just blown up by the villains. The line itself is just kind of a cool hero thing to say, and also parallels his speech from when he originally got the Kabuto Zecter back in the premiere, which I had forgotten about. The context of the scene, though, the unapologetic nature of setting up this dilemma of Mishima destroying the Hyper Zecter only to immediately use such a "cheap" way of getting out of it, I think – for better or for worse – it's about as Tendou as Tendou is ever written. I have to say, I've always been a fan in this case.
Still, that predetermination stuff with the Hyper Zecter helped form an ending where Tendou learned he didn't need to force events to achieve his goals, getting him to let go of the reins a bit, so I'm fairly happy with how it turned out. And just as I'm mentioning how I'm weak against shocking returns after long absences, look what's back! Thanks for the info, and thanks for using an Ex-Aid video for context. Youhavenotbetrayedus! Quote:
For the other thing, I don't really have anything to say about it? I think that's a valid interpretation, it's just not one I share. Quote:
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01-11-2021, 11:42 PM | #592 |
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As for the main plot, it is so perfectly Kabuto that Renge's Road to Damascus moment comes through food. For a show that is ostensibly about guys in bug armor fighting shapeshifting aliens, there is a such a strong commitment to all of these underlying themes about food. It's like this is what Mai thought street dancing was to Gaim. There are some points here where I feel like the show could have easily gone into parody territory, but I think it really did work to build this part of the story around yet another food thing.
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01-12-2021, 04:10 AM | #593 |
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The one thing that stood out to me about this episode was one specific element no-one seems to have picked up on.
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Juka gets stroppy over her brother in a photo with a couple of strange grown-ups, but flying robot insects? “Oh, cool.”
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01-12-2021, 09:49 AM | #594 |
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No place to put it on, but... Kagami actually dies in the Worm fight, his Rider form exploding in the similar way as the monsters, and not Kagami de-henshin first, and Hyper Kabuto's debut is to time travel and save him. This is something that I didn't say because spoilers, but about the Arata Kagami being written in the past before he was born, thinking about how in Kabuto, there are something that allows time travel like Hyper Zecter. The one where Tendou said the future is in his hand is actually using that phrase literally with the Hyper Zecter coming to his hand. And as Zecters can move around and funciton by themselves, Hyper Zecter from the future cross the time by itself to aid Tendou in present time. Also it seems that as Hyper Zecter is already formed in the future where it travels to present, Hyper Zecter can't be eliminated no matter what like Mishima's trying to do here, because if someone does, then the Hyper Zecter from the future will aid the present.
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I mean, the cast doesn't know about Another Tendou yet? Tendou and Kagami sure don't. They never set on eyes on him when he's out of his iron mask. Either way, it's still not a huge Hiyori moment, at least for me.
For the other thing, I don't really have anything to say about it? I think that's a valid interpretation, it's just not one I share. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 34
So, just to get it out of the way: Yes, I cackled like a lunatic at all of Yaguruma’s appearances. It is such a parody of the tortured anti-hero, so committed to being Baby’s First Nihilist, that I literally can’t see any flaws in it. Art is subjective, and folks are going to have different experiences than mine, but I genuinely cannot fathom being anything less than in the bag for Yaguruma and his Yaguruminations. Literally every time that dude opens his mouth, it’s a goldmine. Quote:
That’s pretty much how it works for Renge, who finally eats something other than her Sengoku Rice or whatever, and feels a connection with Tendou. And, some of it’s that, the literal feeding of Renge, but it’s also Tendou making her feel like a person who can help. She’s not just a weapon, or a tool, she’s someone who can make a positive difference in someone else’s life. Feeding that part of her soul, creating space for her to feel heroic… it’s a very Tendou thing to do?
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It’s here that I introduce a counter-point to that flowery view of Tendou, though. This episode does a lot to walk back Tendou’s villainy in 33, giving him opportunities to be vulnerable, and to choose to save people instead of furthering his goals. He is way less of an asshole in this one. But. There’s a broadness to some of his vulnerability that makes me think he’s manipulating Renge. Tendou needs the Hyper Zecter, and he knows Goro has it. He also knows there is absolutely no way Goro is going to trade him the Hyper Zecter for all of the other Zecters. It’s a proposal that Goro is going to laugh at, the end. But that meeting is necessary, because it allows Tendou to show how hungry he is for the Hyper Zecter, right in front of Renge. It also slowly breaks down her resistance, slowly opens the door to her having a desire outside of ZECT. Tendou becomes a kindred spirit, someone who wants her to be happy in a way that Goro doesn’t, and if he wants the Hyper Zecter… I mean, isn’t it the least she can do?
So, yeah, I think Tendou is manipulating her. He knows that she’s the only one who can grab the Zecter from under Goro’s nose; he just needs to exert enough pressure to get her to choose him over ZECT. By feeding her, literally and figuratively, he gets her to do what he wants. (That said! He also wants her to not be Goro's lapdog because that's a horrible thing to live as! It can be two things!) Quote:
And that darker aspect of feeding someone, the dependency it can cause, brings us back to Yaguruma and Kageyama. Kageyama, who… boy. Even for someone who thinks Kageyama is TheWorst, this episode was maybe too much. But Kageyama is being drawn into Yaguruma’s orbit again, and that means Too Much is the lowest setting. Yaguruma comes off like a cult leader, offering the debased and dejected Kageyama a new future as… I mean, I assume PunchHopper, but we’ll probably find out for sure in a couple days. As it is, Yaguruma’s mostly offering rain-soaked nega-affirmations, where Kageyama’s only hope for a continued existence is by giving up on whatever shreds of self-respect he’s hidden away. Fun stuff!
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It’s not a subtle theme, since both Renge and Tsurugi call it out at some point in the episode. It’s treated literally by Tsurugi, since his ability to understand the common people (weird shout-out to a then-11-year old Pulp song, but not the weirdest thing in this episode) is tied up in Juka offering him the Official Snack Of Kamen Rider, takoyaki. Having someone feed him, it forms a connection. It lets him know he’s not alone, that someone sees him and cares about him.
Speaking of fun stuff! Tsurugi! So fun! It’s for sure the brighter interpretation of this episode’s theme, more about connection and empathy than control and A Successories Poster But The Picture Is From The Music Video Of Johnny Cash’s Cover Of “Hurt” By Nine Inch Nails. It’s a plot where Tsurugi trades his foppish couture for the tiny clothes of a child, loses a sword fight with a flute, and nearly dies of starvation in an afternoon. It is indescribably charming, a full-throated embrace of simple pleasures and low-stakes nonsense. It’s still 100% tied into this episode’s theme, so much so that Tsurugi outright tells us what this episode was about, but it comes at it in the sweetest way. If Yaguruma is the pessimism that we’re all starving for meaning that can never be sated, Tsurugi is the optimism that we just need to share what we’ve got and no one needs to go hungry. Tsurugi's one. Yaguruma's outfit is edginess, but for those that aren't edgy, it looks intimidating, it has seen some use by thugs.
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01-12-2021, 12:10 PM | #595 |
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If you like high quality memes, I recommend checking out the recent "Ryukiroll" craze as well. You won't regret it!
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That's my point, the cast doesn't know about Souji Kusakabe yet, and the way to integrate it in story is via Hiyori's power (psychic phenomenon according to you, but I'm not sure yet). Souji Kusakabe's existence is crucial for the story, and at that point the cast doesn't know about him yet.
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In this episode, Yaguruma tries to drag Kageyama in the darkness, both isolating themselves there, and from what I catch, it seems that for some reason to me, Yaguruma wants to let Kageyama taste hell for a room of his development, the people becoming stronger in the face of adversity type of guidance.
Will do! Thanks!
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01-12-2021, 06:31 PM | #597 |
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Re: Tendo's manipulation of Renge - while of course there are layers to his actions, I think his face while he was watching her after she smashed the plate says he was absolutely using her to further his own goals. I'm not sure this episode walked his villainy back as much as I thought it would, but I'm not about to complain about it either, haha |
01-12-2021, 06:58 PM | #598 |
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And just as I'm mentioning how I'm weak against shocking returns after long absences, look what's back! Thanks for the info, and thanks for using an Ex-Aid video for context. Youhavenotbetrayedus!
Oh, and, uh, speaking of which, I've been actively repressing the urge to correct the constant little mistakes I keep finding in the translations we're using, because they're just that – little mistakes that don't impact plot comprehension too much, but there was a rather formative Yaguruma line in 34 I feel like you'd want to know about. That Baby's First Nihilist speech in his scene with Kageyama goes like this in Earthly's scrub: "Only by crawling on the ground... will you be able to see the light. But don't expect too much. Because it's not like we can be together forever." But that last sentence is inheriting an error from TV-Nihon's version that leaves it as a bit of a non sequitur. The actual dialogue is along the lines of "It's not like we'll ever be able to see it anyway." Yaguruma basically trolls Kageyama by acting like there's hope for them, before immediately turning it around, which explains why he walks off cackling like a maniac after saying it. (And he walks towards a literal light, no less; talk about mixed messages!). Just an innocent mistake on the subbers' part, as a result mishearing what was being said – the scene's heavy rain not exactly making the audio easier to pick out – but it seemed worth correcting with how invested you are in Yaguruma's current downward spiral.
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But that last sentence is inheriting an error from TV-Nihon's version that leaves it as a bit of a non sequitur. The actual dialogue is along the lines of "It's not like we'll ever be able to see it anyway." Yaguruma basically trolls Kageyama by acting like there's hope for them, before immediately turning it around, which explains why he walks off cackling like a maniac after saying it. (And he walks towards a literal light, no less; talk about mixed messages!).
Just an innocent mistake on the subbers' part, as a result mishearing what was being said – the scene's heavy rain not exactly making the audio easier to pick out – but it seemed worth correcting with how invested you are in Yaguruma's current downward spiral.
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Before I forget, just to follow up on that earlier discussion about the show's DX toys lacking a Clock Up sound, I'd like to note the one ~sort of~ exception,which was the Hyper Zecter's, well Hyper Clock Up sound. And Bandai sure wanted you to know it, too.
("MAXIMUM. RIDER. POWER." is also one of my favorite Rider belt noises ever, by the way, although that's also a big list.)
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