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07-28-2021, 03:19 PM | #51 |
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Sorry no hang on, hang on, this is the one thing here I’m particularly familiar with; do you seriously believe this? Do you honest to god believe that’s what his whole case was about?
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07-28-2021, 03:38 PM | #52 |
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No, what Subaru Kimura did in no way affects my enjoyment of the show. I haven't even seen it. Kimura has taken down the tweets and Toei is no way endorsing his behavior.
The Kamen Rider Duke scandal is far more impactful. His actor was arrested for indecent assault. Twice. That is a HUGE difference between the two actors behavior. One is an offensive joke(s), the other is committing assault. The latter has victims with real physical damage. Last edited by Mmicb0b; 07-28-2021 at 03:52 PM.. |
07-28-2021, 04:17 PM | #53 |
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07-28-2021, 04:33 PM | #54 |
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So if Apu was so problematic, why wait nearly 3 decades to go after him, hmmm.
That's completely ignorant of you to think Cancel Culture is just a boogie man. Normally anyone that says that probably takes part in it themselves. Vic Mignogna has been blacklisted after those accusations hit, all because he was a christian, which the people in Funimation don't like him for. Quinton Flynn was recently hit with it that cost him roles, like NMH3 and getting removed from WoW, even though he took the accuser to court and actually won it, so he's innocent, but the damage was done and we don't know if he'll get any roles again. Chris Avellone got hit with it and guess what, not getting work, even though he said the person was full of shit, which he backed up. Developer of that Harry Potter game, all because he watches videos of people criticizing SJW's, which is not against the law as I recall. That's the idea of cancel culture, hurt them and the careers with out of context and lies. Saying how most people bounce back from is insanely insensitive to the ones that don't bounce back and their lives ruined. If you're the one to tell someone that things they like are bad they're more likely to get upset with you than to agree with you right away, it's scary to call out shitty things, most people in fact do not like to break bad news to people I knew kids in school who would be harassed by jerks saying shit like "go back to the kwik-e-mart Apu" that shit was rough on them, but they had to act like it was fine, because they felt like if they let the bullies see it hurt them the bullying would just get worse It's not easy to fight back against negative representation, or against abusers, or just shitty people, when those representations or people are normalized or popular, it's not weird that it took a long time for the backlash to become loud enough and out in the open enough that it felt like a floodgate opened, before the internet it was hard to see how small bits of hurt to people could add up, it was hard to see everyone who's life was negatively effected by poor representation, but now it's easy to see how that can add up I also have to point out that Vic is working still, he did the JoJo part 4 dub, and the Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan dub long after getting cancelled, so using Vic as an example of a poor man hurt by cancel culture rings hollow (also he was cancelled because he was very creepy to minors, not because of his faith) And for some of the the other examples llike the game dev, well its like Kurona said, this is just the free market in action, if people don't like someone they don't need to give them money, they have no reason to, and if companies see people won't buy things certain people are in or work on they won't really hire them It doesn't really matter if someone did a crime or not, the public doesn't owe anyone their money or support Clearly these people haven't lost all support either, I mean you're here supporting them right? They must still have fans and supporters, so it's hard for me to buy into the idea that any of these people are totally ruined I've seen dozens of total creeps bounce back into success, it's the norm not the exception Plus while it can feel like everyone's out to cancel everyone, for every tweet saying "This celebrity did a bad thing!" there's usually just as many tweets supporting that person, or calling the people upset "snowflakes" or whatever Last edited by TheJaz; 07-28-2021 at 10:13 PM.. |
07-28-2021, 06:38 PM | #55 |
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This is odd to say the least because A: Tsunenori's crimes were long after Gaim ended whereas Kimura never gave an apology or anything yet his cateer is thriving, nobody's saying racism is worse than sexual assault, but sexual assault isn't relevant at the minute, if Tsunenori Aoki would voice Vice instead you better believe people would rightfully drag him.
Why shouldn't Kimura's career be thriving? Cause he posted really bad and insensitive jokes? They've been deleted and he's not going around getting work because of his racist iconography. He's getting work cause of his voice acting. Quote:
As for the Depp and Heard example, they didn't happen around the same time either, Heard claimed Depp abused her in I believe 2018 with Depp claiming the opposite merely a year ago, it's not different priorities when not all information was available, said information mind you changing a lot of people's minds on the subject, not to mention that not only is the lawsuit between Depp and Heard still going, but Depp's had more roles since the ideal than Heard
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07-28-2021, 08:20 PM | #56 |
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Cancel Culture has become a Internet boogieman at this point. People freak out of their favorite thing being cancel and they are worried that no one will be allowed to like it. You have more people that scared of their favorite thing being canceled than real life issues.
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07-29-2021, 01:13 AM | #57 |
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I also have to point out that Vic is working still, he did the JoJo part 4 dub, and the Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan dub long after getting cancelled, so using Vic as an example of a poor man hurt by cancel culture rings hollow (also he was cancelled because he was very creepy to minors, not because of his faith)
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I brought up Duke's actor because the OP brought it up. It's a false equivalence. One is a literal crime that you can get arrested for, the other is a literal non-crime albeit immoral.
Why shouldn't Kimura's career be thriving? Cause he posted really bad and insensitive jokes? They've been deleted and he's not going around getting work because of his racist iconography. He's getting work cause of his voice acting. Why should it happening around the same time matter? It's an example of the supposed "free market" or "consequences for actions" mentioned in the thread that "cancel culture" has done that has been absolutely wrong. Depp was labeled an abuser and deprived of all his roles before anyone even bothered to look into it. When Depp finally gave his side of the story, it turns out Heard is the abuser but she still continues getting big roles and merch deals. What has (or hasn't) happened to Kimura isn't cancel culture so I brought up an example that was. And one that was ultimately incorrect in its efforts. Again, Depp still had quite a few roles during that ordeal so no, he wasn't deprived of his roles. The issue with cancel culture is that it doesn't actually exist in the way people like to say it does, John Boyega has been massively critical of Disney and is now struggling to find work as he's gotten less roles since that happened whereas Roman Polanski admitted to raping a 13 year old in court in 1978 yet he's made countless award winning movies since despite never actually suffering consequences for it as he fled the country, it's a convinient narrative that punishes victims whereas abusers get defended constantly by weirdos, see how Mignogna was stated to be fired just because of his religion despite countless allegations against the man and how his career got ruined not by Funimation for firing him, but rather himself for sueing Funimation with massively incompetent lawyers and how despite this he *still* gets invited to cons. It's a buzzword used to downplay anything serious while protecting abusers because quite frankly, it's about putting victims down, the recent ActiBlizzard stuff being another example as a lot of people who claim women lie to get clout and ruin the lives of innocent people started claiming the lawsuit was also a sham because "Oh where's the proof? What's the side of the men?" Completely ignoring how it was already investigated for 2 years and how the lawsuit came from the government rather than any specific individuals
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07-29-2021, 08:55 AM | #58 |
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Slight correction on a couple things, first of all, the Viz dub was prerecorded, not done as it aired, meaning it was unfortunate timing, second, Viz is dubbing the Rohan OVAs and turns out Rohan has a new VA, thirdly, Mignogna being a sex pest was already an open secret for decades, it just took the KickVic stuff for something to actually happen
There has never been a formal apology and I'm not sure if you're aware, but racism is still an issue that hurts countless people, so naturally, people may not feel comfortable with the actor, especially as he's done it multiple times, not once. Again, Depp still had quite a few roles during that ordeal so no, he wasn't deprived of his roles. The issue with cancel culture is that it doesn't actually exist in the way people like to say it does, John Boyega has been massively critical of Disney and is now struggling to find work as he's gotten less roles since that happened whereas Roman Polanski admitted to raping a 13 year old in court in 1978 yet he's made countless award winning movies since despite never actually suffering consequences for it as he fled the country, it's a convinient narrative that punishes victims whereas abusers get defended constantly by weirdos, see how Mignogna was stated to be fired just because of his religion despite countless allegations against the man and how his career got ruined not by Funimation for firing him, but rather himself for sueing Funimation with massively incompetent lawyers and how despite this he *still* gets invited to cons. It's a buzzword used to downplay anything serious while protecting abusers because quite frankly, it's about putting victims down, the recent ActiBlizzard stuff being another example as a lot of people who claim women lie to get clout and ruin the lives of innocent people started claiming the lawsuit was also a sham because "Oh where's the proof? What's the side of the men?" Completely ignoring how it was already investigated for 2 years and how the lawsuit came from the government rather than any specific individuals My bad about the OVA, could have sworn it was him but I stand corrected, wonder why they didn't just redub him for Part 4 then... anyways he does still have some post-cancelling roles as well as upcoming projects, so to me he still just looks like another creep who's going to recover fine, so he just really isn't evidence of "Cancel culture bad", he's a sex creep who finally has some consequences, but sadly he's still probabaly going to keep working and going to Cons without ever really apologizing or probabaly even understanding what he did wrong Last edited by TheJaz; 07-29-2021 at 10:44 AM.. |
07-29-2021, 09:06 AM | #59 |
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(Appologies for double posting but this has been bothering me)
I keep seeing people saying stuff like "what Kimura did wasn't that bad compared to others", or "racism isn't a crime" so I just feel like I have to say "other people have done worse things" is an extremely flimsy argument, at least in my eyes You have to take situations at face value not try to rank them by tiers Yes some actions are worse than others, but that's not at all relevant to if an action was bad or not, it's not really logical or reasonable to just say "someone else has done a worse thing, so I don't care about this" Tbh this reminds me of the type of behaviour from people who will tell you to "suck it up" when you've been badly hurt, because they've been MORE hurt before "Oh you broke your leg? Suck it up, I've broken both legs before and I got through it" That sort of reasoning is just flawed, if someone broke their leg it doesn't matter how many people have been hurt waaaaaay worse, they're still going to be in a lot of pain It stands to reason as well that if an actor does something shitty, the fact that other actors have done waaaaaaaay shitier things doesn't negate that You can always name a a worse thing, a more severe crime, a bigger problem, smth more offensive, it's just not a helpful mind set, it feels more like a way to make excuses more than anything else. People should be held accountable for their actions regardless of their severity Like if I see someone verbally bullying someone else, should I just go "well they didn't commit assault or murder so there's no point intervening"? I think it's obvious that that wouldn't be a logical rationalization, it would just be an excuse to not get involved This way of thinking also seems to pre-suppose that there's some sort of quantifiable level of bad actions that it's worth discussing, and anything below that level isn't even worth talking about? That just seems contrived and baseless, it just feels like a way to not have to think about how actors you may like may say shitty things occasionally It doesn't matter that worse things have happened in the history of all time, Kimura did smth that can hurt and offend people, and regardless of if it's illegal, it's a shitty thing to do I don't need Kimura to never work again or whatever, he does not deserve to be in an extreme situation like losing his livelihood or becoming homeless (no person really does), all I am expecting is accountability in equal measure to the action, evidence that he understands what he did was wrong and that he genuinely regrets it, not because it could hurt his career, but because it could have / has hurt other people And if he can't demonstrate that, or if he hasn't grown, then my only hope would be that he doesn't portray characters (specifcally heroes) for children... adults can make informed purchasing decisions and have more control over what people they look up to, kids don't really have that same awareness about celebrities I also just don't see how "someone who did black face shouldn't portray a hero for kids, or should at least genuinely apologize first" is somehow an extreme position to take, or why it's a stance so many people seem quick to argue against Last edited by TheJaz; 07-29-2021 at 12:34 PM.. |
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^This is a good post
My bad about the OVA, could have sworn it was him but I stand corrected, wonder why they didn't just redub him for Part 4 then... anyways he does still have some post-cancelling roles as well as upcoming projects, so to me he still just looks like another creep who's going to recover fine, so he just really isn't evidence of "Cancel culture bad", he's a sex creep who finally has some consequences, but sadly he's still probabaly going to keep working and going to Cons without ever really apologizing or probabaly even understanding what he did wrong
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