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08-01-2021, 12:46 PM | #61 |
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[QUOTE=Annuga;808933]Again, Depp still had quite a few roles during that ordeal so no, he wasn't deprived of his roles.[QUOTE] It's funny that you fail to mention these so roles that he still has. The only role I can find is a voice role for an Italian animated series known as Puffins. You can hide your head in a sand all you want but Depp is blacklisted from Hollywood. Again, this is bad because there is documented recordings and photos of Amber Heard abusing Depp. Meanwhile Amber Heard has yet to lose a single brand deal or movie. You cannot seriously think some obscure Italian voice role is anywhere near same as working for Warner Brothers or Disney. It should be noted that WB still continues to work with Heard and not Johnny. The only people downplaying victims are people like you. You side with Hollywood when they blacklist Johnny Depp in spite of the already mentioned evidence of abuse and his exes defending him against the allegations. But then you act surprised when Hollywood openly congratulates pedophiles like Roman Polanski at the Oscars. Last edited by gllgt; 08-01-2021 at 12:50 PM.. |
08-01-2021, 01:05 PM | #62 |
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"You can hide your head in the sand", "You side with hollywood" this is so overly dramatic and accusatory oh my god. If there's anyone overreacting and over-moralising stuff it's you guys who claim to care so much about 'cancel culture'. Calm down.
The thread has gone way off topic. I asked what 'cancel culture' was because so many people here seemed to be so concerned about it, and then I find out it's something that's not even fucking happened to the guy and yet a huge argument has broken out about so much unrelated celebrity drama that frankly I couldn't care less to sift through. Save it for Twitter and try actually talking about the thread topic without accusing other board users of whatever the hell that pedophile comment was about
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08-01-2021, 02:54 PM | #63 |
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It seems like projection on your part. Quote:
The thread has gone way off topic. I asked what 'cancel culture' was because so many people here seemed to be so concerned about it, and then I find out it's something that's not even fucking happened to the guy and yet a huge argument has broken out about so much unrelated celebrity drama that frankly I couldn't care less to sift through. Save it for Twitter and try actually talking about the thread topic without accusing other board users of whatever the hell that pedophile comment was about
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08-01-2021, 03:17 PM | #64 |
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Neither is with my "siding with Hollywood" comment as that was meant to show that I'm confused as to why they have a problem with all these other terrible things they do like continued support of Roman Polanski or John Boyega's blacklisting but they have no problem with what happened to Depp.
But the main thrust of my post was this; we're going on about Polanski, and Depp, and Bogeya and whatever and like... are these Toku actors? Are these the Toku scandals the thread was made to discuss? Or is it a digression that's gone on way too long because uttering the words 'Cancel Culture' caused people to vent all their opinions about whatever Western actors and directors are out there that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Kimura hasn't even been 'cancelled' or 'silenced' or whatever word you want to use, and we are still somehow on this. No, I'm not a mod; I can't literally force you to stop or whatever, but I wasn't doing that -- just as you're allowed to post your own opinions so am I, and my opinion is that this thread is completely off topic and is just talking about a lot of irrelevant rubbish
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You seem to be avoiding the point that sexual assault is a crime. Racism is not a crime, as morally wrong as it is. Kimura has yet to do anything like it again and if he does then it's up to Toei to deal with it.
It's funny that you fail to mention these so roles that he still has. The only role I can find is a voice role for an Italian animated series known as Puffins. You can hide your head in a sand all you want but Depp is blacklisted from Hollywood. Again, this is bad because there is documented recordings and photos of Amber Heard abusing Depp. Meanwhile Amber Heard has yet to lose a single brand deal or movie. You cannot seriously think some obscure Italian voice role is anywhere near same as working for Warner Brothers or Disney. It should be noted that WB still continues to work with Heard and not Johnny. The only people downplaying victims are people like you. You side with Hollywood when they blacklist Johnny Depp in spite of the already mentioned evidence of abuse and his exes defending him against the allegations. But then you act surprised when Hollywood openly congratulates pedophiles like Roman Polanski at the Oscars. That's his only TV role, he's still had a couple of movie roles, 5 in 2018 meaning there weren't any reshoots to remove him and one in 2019 and 2020. Not much but hardly blacklisted, especially as a new mainline Pirates of the Carribean in the works and how Depp waited 2 years to fight the claims. I don't recall saying Johnny Depp is getting what he deserved or calling him the one the only one in the wrong and it's odd to accuse me of defending Hollywood while condemning me for criticizing how Polanski has a career, especially as your stance is "Kimura didn't do anything illegal so criticism is bad when there's so much worse". As a victim of heavy abuse myself, I don't take kindly to the idea that I'm downplaying victims because I'm saying Depp's career didn't die and how I think it's important to crack down on discrimination alongside abuse
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08-01-2021, 09:49 PM | #66 |
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Oftentimes they want these people cancelled so that they are humiliated and worst case scenario put them into extreme depression or something.
It's like you hate these people so much you wanna see them fall but cannot legally hurt them, and so when they make mistakes, it's like ordering an assassination without actually killing the target. That's how I see these cancel culture anyways. It's technically as 'effective' as death threats.
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08-02-2021, 12:01 AM | #67 |
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Double post sorry.
I think the best case scenario would be for Kimura to issue a formal apology. From what I've seen from people like Kurona and Kiwami are that they are iffy about Revice is that not only because Kimura doesn't issue an apology yet, but also because Vice's character is obnoxious, it kinda looks like Kimura was not only being smug but also acted like he did nothing wrong, and that could easily rub people the wrong way. I know it can be stupid because the obnoxiousness was supposed to be Vice, not Kimura, but not being able to separate an artist from the work is a common thing to do, so it's normal to see that the character the actors are playing are sort of like an extension of that person. It's basically this, imagine Logan Paul (if you don't know him, oh my god bless you SO MUCH) never apologized for the suicide forest thing and kept acting smug in appearances. People would hate him even more even if him apologizing wouldn't really make things a whole lot better. My point is, apologizing may not absolve your mistakes, but your remorse will help people understand you a bit even if they still hate you, as oppose to not apologize and end up making people hate you even more.
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08-02-2021, 01:33 PM | #68 |
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Only the old ones but the new ones, not that much.
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08-03-2021, 02:26 AM | #69 |
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I'm sorry but I am inclined to think that cancel culture is just another of these made-up terms to a degree but I do see that even though loads of people on TV I wish had never got famous or had a career, there's not much you can do about it now I suppose.
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08-03-2021, 08:50 PM | #70 |
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Yet you missed my point, people may be uncomfortable with certain people on a project seeing them or their friends as genetically inferior and stuff, which I find weird as the people defending this always go "It's a free market" and then get mad when people choose not to give their money as intended of the free market. I'd also argue that doing it twice, which is what Kimura did, neither time with an apology, means people can indeed have an issue with it. Spinning it as "Yeah well it's not as bad as a literal crime so it's completely harmless" is... Off to me.
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That's his only TV role, he's still had a couple of movie roles, 5 in 2018 meaning there weren't any reshoots to remove him and one in 2019 and 2020. Not much but hardly blacklisted, especially as a new mainline Pirates of the Carribean in the works and how Depp waited 2 years to fight the claims.
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I don't recall saying Johnny Depp is getting what he deserved or calling him the one the only one in the wrong and it's odd to accuse me of defending Hollywood while condemning me for criticizing how Polanski has a career, especially as your stance is "Kimura didn't do anything illegal so criticism is bad when there's so much worse". As a victim of heavy abuse myself, I don't take kindly to the idea that I'm downplaying victims because I'm saying Depp's career didn't die and how I think it's important to crack down on discrimination alongside abuse
As for your history of abuse, that's awful that happened to you. But I don't need to bring up me or my family's history with it especially to win dumb internet arguments. I don't think you're downplaying victims because you don't believe Depp's career was damaged. Who cares. What is, that you have you to even acknowledge the DOCUMENTED evidence of Depp's physical and emotional abuse at the hands of Amber Heard. I linked to them already in my posts but I have heard zilch on them. Even earlier in this post you said that Johnny " waited 2 years to fight the claims." That sounds a lot like when people scrutinize abuse victims for taking too long to work up the courage to speak about their abuse. If this is not intentional on your part then I think you really, really need to work on how you discuss this. |
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