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05-15-2022, 07:08 PM | #11 |
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Cause I'm sorry and hot take but wow is Hiromi probably the most overrated character I've seen in the longest time. Especially for someone who is like a genuinely pretty alright character and nothing standout either. And like, I like the dude but I've seen people go way too overboard with their love for him.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! He isn't a bad character at all and his actor always does an excellent job with the role, but the way some people act about him you'd think he was a some kind of genre-busting main character with loads of focus as opposed to a shoehorned-in tertiary Rider. I can't say I get the obsession in the slightest, but to each their own I suppose!
I'm a fan of Hiromi because of his underdog story, and also because he might be only one of the few characters I actively enjoyed seeing on-screen. Kagerou and George too. But I won't deny how he was treated as a character was disappointing. Rather the three of them, actually. Honestly, at this point, it's not even about Hiromi returning, it's about how the Demons Driver went to this literal simp. It feels undeserved. I'd say Genta or Masumi had more reasons to use Over Demons than him, to top it off it's not even a proper debut. |
05-15-2022, 07:23 PM | #12 |
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Funnily enough, it being like a non-proper debut and so sudden and like very "This is really only here to get everyone the hell out" is what sold me on Hikaru being Over Demons for a bit. Especially since this did not feel like a "We need someone to turn the tide" once Gifu came into the picture. So it being Weekend Kid just clearing a path and getting everyone away was probably what made me alright with it.
I also feel like the sound leak for the Demons Driver made everyone think Over Demons is more important than it really was intended to be by the show (which is seemingly just an alternate version of Demons with barely better stats). And that led to people being disappointed by its design. Idk, maybe its just me, but while I get the whole "Want a character to root for" thing. Seeing people say how "Hikaru stole Hiromi's redebut" a few times in different variations feels less "rooting for" and edges more into toxic for me and I just dislike those vibes in general. That being said, I think the most baffling but interesting thing about this episode is that... despite getting his ass kicked, being injured and taken likely somewhere safe, Daiji chooses to go back and sulk at the battleground as night falls. It's such a weird scene that I'm like fascinated by purely because like "Why would you go back there?!". |
05-15-2022, 08:05 PM | #13 |
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I think what helps Hiromi endear himself to everyone was just a combination of his earnestness despite being kicked around constantly (Both on and off the battlefield), as well as his honesty. Dude wanted to be a hero, and for most people watching this franchise, regardless of age, it's a sentiment we can get behind.
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05-15-2022, 08:14 PM | #14 |
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Idk, maybe its just me, but while I get the whole "Want a character to root for" thing. Seeing people say how "Hikaru stole Hiromi's redebut" a few times in different variations feels less "rooting for" and edges more into toxic for me and I just dislike those vibes in general.
Seeing the amount of backlash both the weekend guy and the Over-Demons suit are getting just because fans wanted something else immediately reminds me of all the times I'd hear about some Shounen anime fandom either causing or having a massive uproar on twitter cause of something the writer said or wrote. Last edited by Pineapple924; 05-15-2022 at 08:17 PM.. |
05-15-2022, 09:23 PM | #15 |
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05-15-2022, 10:45 PM | #16 |
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I mean, I love Hiromi, but it should have been obvious from the moment George mentioned mass producing the Demons driver that Hikaru is not THE Demons now. It looks more like a Rogue/Mad Rogue situation to me.
I also think we're starting to gear towards most of the cast becoming Riders of some shape or form since that new driver is obviously going to be Hana's. I think he's just going to amount to just being extra muscle for the good guys as we head into the final arc.
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05-16-2022, 10:08 AM | #17 |
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While I am still enjoying it and think it's a good series overall, I feel like ReVice hasn't really lived up to the promise of its early episodes.
Lately in particular it seems to have fallen into Too Many Main Characters syndrome, hurting the pacing and unfortunately relegating some to comic relief. Still plenty of time to stick the landing though. |
05-19-2022, 01:44 AM | #18 |
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The first real action Akaishi takes.
As his plan was to plunge humanity into despair to make them submit to Giff, the only way he see for humanity to survive, expectedly it'd involve broadcasting Kamen Rider's failures to fight Giff or his henchmen (including Vail). But other revelations about it was that, Akaishi seems to be fine killing anyone else for his schemes other than the Igarashis, as seen in the unnamed Fenix soldiers. It's now explained fully here that Akaishi won't kill those he considered "family", where the Igarashis are Giff descendants, even threatening Vail to sever their partnership if he did that. So the Igarashi's special status, other than how they're the ones who can become a Rider, extends to even the current baddie as technically their family. But as for now, Akaishi acting to be hopeless here is too forced, has too much overreacting. And seems that, reckless as he might be, Daiji doesn't notice about Akaishi's obvious forced overreacting. I hope that there'd be more on Akaishi's overreacting other than just Revice declining in quality and treating Akaishi's acting as actual darkest hour situation, in-universe explanation btw, like for starters, about how Akaishi never felt hopeless (as Giff's partner) so he doesn't know what it actually feels like, or it's also a part how Daiji didn't notice as he went reckless. Finally a focus for Daiji to combat Fenix, I guess, though it being handled well is subjective. Daiji now specifically doesn't want to sit and watch, but now acting on his 'righteousness', but not that it's a good stuff, as Daiji went completely reckless, acting without thinking, despite being told by various characters like Ikki to stick together as a family, or George to balance his 'good' and 'evil' side on his own without Kagerou. He ended up only playing into Akaishi's plans, though at least he realized. Contrary to popular opinion regarding Daiji and Hiromi, for me Daiji shows some similarities to Hiromi here, but about his flaws, Hiromi's someone who tried to act dutiful and composed, but is actually emotionally fragile and breaks down easily. While here, Daiji's someone who is the uptight, stern, and taciturn one in the family, apparently portrayed as the 'mature' one to the wackiness of other Igarashis (Sakura as the other exception, that she regards Daiji the highest), but turns out here that Daiji is more impulsive than outwardly and if pushed into a brink he'd be the most irrational. Ironically, it seems that the Weekend has similar case to Daiji for their inaction, to have Masumi announced that Weekend would move from its shadows this late. Regarding George's ad-vice here to balance good and evil as rightneous alone isn't enough to overcome evil, I'd disagree to elevating evil (not literally) personally, as this can be (mis)used to further glorify cynical and cold-detached traits, disguised as right belief, strength, and effectiveness when it's probably spite and vindictive-based. Even though it's true that Kagerou is needed here to balance out Daiji's traits, but if it's about Kagerou being calm and calculating, then it'd not be an evil trait, it's just using rational thinking, good or evil depends if it's used for strategy against bad guys or to scheme. And if it's about finishing off the necessary bad guys, killing a bad guy that has no other way out is different to killing innocents or even someone bad that isn't enough to justify killing, such as normal human criminals. It's actually one of the misguided takes that can be used to villify heroes to make villains look good with the reason that "they're also killers or such". Otherwise I'd hope that as a KR fanboy, the reformed George now would also use the values shown in KR shows, digging more than the violence and spectacle there. Other than that, this can be a good news for Kagerou fans to possibly have Kagerou manifest himself again, to give the 'balance' Daiji needed or even, have Daiji going into worse path if he's corrupted. Hikaru becoming a Rider, and a strongest one at that, does give me a Mihara-Delta vibe too, for someone who doesn't stand out being given one of the stronger Rider forms (though Over Demons only has slight increase to regular Demons). IIRC, the speculation of Over Demons before was about Hiromi's comeback or probably George, but it turning to be Hikaru instead seems to be purely done for a shock value. Though not fully as Hikaru does want to become a Rider before, but probably not something that seems to be really plot-important like Over Demons that has Vail motif in its design too, while Hikaru is nowhere near as plot important. Tbf, George too was someone who had one-time stint as Demons (so far), so Hikaru can be like that too as Over Demons, but it was also an important event to display George's change. And that Hikaru wasn't using the Rider form too bad, albeit not beating anyone in a fight but just saving anyone (and Akaishi won't kill them anyway). Tamaki now realizes about how useless he is so far, and the preview apparently has him transforming.... earlier than Aguilera, someone who has shown to be a fighter before does (still admiring her girlfriend, is she ironically the new Tamaki now but to Sakura only despite her disgust?), dunno how it'd be handled as Revice is now. This episode also apparently solved Vice's existensial crisis of being a demon, and this pulls the "Vice is Vice" reassurement seen in numerous Rider series like Inoue written ones. About how Ikki reassures Vice that he only needs to act according to Vice's wishes, to fight alongside Ikki and/or having fun by enjoying his freedom (including being free from demon's expectations too), not what's expected of a demon. While this is good for Vice and that acting outside of other's expectations can be used, this kind of invalidates other demons, as there are other demons that aren't malicious like Lovekov (though she's an asshole too like Vice). While this part of the story helps Vice, this won't help other demons against, for example, Masumi's racism towards them (also suggesting that separating Ikki from Vice is the best outcome regardless of their friendship now), as this is about differentiating Vice to other demons and thus, other demons still has the expectation of being evil and manipulative like Vail expects them be.
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05-19-2022, 02:43 AM | #19 |
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In spite of generally feeling like Daiji is the least interesting Rider in this show, lately the show has been going some interesting directions with him. I really like the angle that killing off Kagerou has pushed him to be dangerously righteous without some of his "negative" traits to keep it in check. I could see this going a few ways, from Daiji becoming a villain, to him getting killed, to even just him magically reviving Kagerou somehow. Excited to see this play out.
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I really hope Hikaru doesn't remain as Over Demons. He's literally just like... the absolute worst choice for a Rider. Like even Mihara, regardless of how boring he is, is set up as the main Delta user because he's a coward and doesn't want to fight therefore he is immune to the Delta Gear addiction. Hikaru is genuinely a non-character with absolutely no personality, outside of his seeming one-sided infatuation with Sakura, who really shows absolutely no interest in him.
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Cause I'm sorry and hot take but wow is Hiromi probably the most overrated character I've seen in the longest time. Especially for someone who is like a genuinely pretty alright character and nothing standout either. And like, I like the dude but I've seen people go way too overboard with their love for him.
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I think what helps Hiromi endear himself to everyone was just a combination of his earnestness despite being kicked around constantly (Both on and off the battlefield), as well as his honesty. Dude wanted to be a hero, and for most people watching this franchise, regardless of age, it's a sentiment we can get behind.
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05-20-2022, 08:33 PM | #20 |
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"Reject Humanity, return to Monke!" -Akaishi 2022
You know, funny enough, as much as I like Hiromi, I'm fine with Hikaru becoming Over Demons (whose suit I've grown to). People can argue Hikaru isn't really deserving of a Rider spot, but I think his recent developments make him a good choice in my book. I never disliked the character; even thought how he might have a bigger role later on when Weekend was introduced, I'm okay with this choice, no matter how much I'd love to see Hiromi again (my main issue is that after not dying he's mentioned alive once, then only in passing as though he did die), or how Tamaki and Hana (I can't get over the fact her name's Hana Natsuki) fit the role better, and George was always an obvious pick. Anyway, lots of good character moments this episode, even if the Ikki/Vice one could have been done a bit better, I think the main cast is a pretty good, and it's always nice to see the heroes fail, which may sound somewhat sick, but it shows how big a threat they face and makes their struggle more "interesting." Gif looks cool, but that's about it, as Akaishi, whose acting skills are so bad they're almost good, is the one calling the shots (does anyone think to snap a phot of him doing evil demon stuff, the FENIX troopers literally have phone-guns?!), leaving the villains a little underwhelming coming after ARK, whose buildup was more interesting than Gif's revival, and Storius, who became a fantastic villain at the end. The best villain is so far Vail, as he's more threatening, and his background fits the bill a bit better. Overall, I am enjoying Revice, even if there are some odd choices and weak executions, it's not bad, but it has dropped a bit from the early episodes. *Thinks back to Zero-One* Next Episode: Bait-and-Switch! |
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