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10-09-2020, 01:34 AM | #211 |
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Hey, I got 39 minutes before the SHF Saber orders open up on AmiAmi, let's talk about Hibiki!
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I don't remember the first time I saw the Zanki/Todoyama transformation in the... abandoned mining town, maybe? It was before I saw the complete show and I tuned into part of that episode because of some reason - or maybe I saw it in a YouTube compilation, I'm honestly not sure. In any case, it's one of the single scenes in Hibiki that has stuck with me the most over the years and I always get excited watching our guys walk through the town while the Douji and Hime distantly flank them.
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I unabashedly love everything about the guitar Oni. I love the suit designs, I love the transformation bracelets, and I love the hell out of the ongekigen (the guitar weapon). I always look forward to the moment when these guys arrive and complete the show's main cast. We're getting a little crowded now, for sure, but I can deal with a big, happy family.
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Also I very much remember this and the next few episodes pretty distinctively, and was shaking in excitement over it like you were, probably! I hope you come to really like Zanki and his apprentice's story. They immediately stick out in this episode for like, having a story arc to themselves as opposed to only being people for Hibiki and Asumu to bounce off (not that there's anything wrong with that!).
I feel almost bad saying it, but, yeah! Guitars are objectively cooler! Everyone on this show is great, no bum notes, but those Zanki fight scenes just ruled.
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10-09-2020, 03:01 AM | #212 |
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To clarify, Todoyama isn’t a full Oni yet. He’s still using the training henshin item similar to Akira. But unlike Akira, his training is at the point where Zanki things he’s ready to enter what the official design calls a “henshintai” (transformed) state.
And the “guitar is an axe” thing? That kind of seems like a lame and obvious thing to do, especially since we got a more-original idea for a guitar weapon in Super Sentai 10 years later And this episode also features the debut of Sabaki (I haven’t looked up what that means yet, I’ll get back to you on that one). As someone I follow on Twitter pointed out, he must’ve been someone on the crew’s favourite, since he appears in more episodes than the other non-regular Oni (even after the staff turnover mostly drops the minor Oni in favour of more focus on the main ones) he appears in the HBV and a post-show stage show. All he hasn’t received is an appearance in Decade and a Ridewatch in Zi-O’s toyline. |
10-09-2020, 05:00 AM | #213 |
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Okay, so I said wind instruments are Toshihiko Sahashi's thing, and I stand by that (Ibuki is still awesome!), but guitars aren't exactly outside his skill set either. Die will already know this if he still remembers his favorite track from Kuuga. Or, heck, I guess just anyone who's watched Kuuga would know.
Zanki and Todoyama are great. Going back to that idea that Ibuki and Akira are like, the baseline, ideal mentor/student combo, it was super interesting to introduce this grizzled legend past his prime and his apprentice who's maybe become a bit too comfortable standing in his shadow despite having talents of his own. It's a cool dynamic, and just as Riders, I mean, come on. It baffles me to think sometimes the merch for this show didn't sell like hotcakes. How did every kid on the block not want a monster-slaying axe/axe? This is also Ishida's next set of episodes, which is very apparent not only when Clockamou's scene here straight up brings back the evil TV static effect from Kuuga, but from the impeccable timing of all the gags. I also like to think other directors probably wouldn't have been insistent on having those practical explosions mixed in when Zanki and Todoyama transform (both times!), which adds a lot of weight and impact to the scene. Again, these guys make a strong first impression.
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10-09-2020, 06:55 AM | #214 |
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Found out what Sabaki means. It’s shorthand for Sabaki no Oni (Judgement Demon)
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And that the Super Sentai for that year put out a set based on what would otherwise be a normal show-exclusive power that can’t be replicated adequately with regular toys (believe me, I tried) Meanwhile Hibiki wasn’t offering anything more impressive than a couple of transforming CDs… which 75% of the items designed to work with them couldn’t read in any way. Last edited by Androzani84; 10-09-2020 at 07:32 AM.. |
10-09-2020, 10:59 AM | #215 |
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And this episode also features the debut of Sabaki (I haven’t looked up what that means yet, I’ll get back to you on that one). As someone I follow on Twitter pointed out, he must’ve been someone on the crew’s favourite, since he appears in more episodes than the other non-regular Oni (even after the staff turnover mostly drops the minor Oni in favour of more focus on the main ones) he appears in the HBV and a post-show stage show. All he hasn’t received is an appearance in Decade and a Ridewatch in Zi-O’s toyline.
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Okay, so I said wind instruments are Toshihiko Sahashi's thing, and I stand by that (Ibuki is still awesome!), but guitars aren't exactly outside his skill set either. Die will already know this if he still remembers his favorite track from Kuuga. Or, heck, I guess just anyone who's watched Kuuga would know.
Zanki and Todoyama are great. Going back to that idea that Ibuki and Akira are like, the baseline, ideal mentor/student combo, it was super interesting to introduce this grizzled legend past his prime and his apprentice who's maybe become a bit too comfortable standing in his shadow despite having talents of his own. It's a cool dynamic, and just as Riders, I mean, come on. It baffles me to think sometimes the merch for this show didn't sell like hotcakes. How did every kid on the block not want a monster-slaying axe/axe? This is also Ishida's next set of episodes, which is very apparent not only when Clockamou's scene here straight up brings back the evil TV static effect from Kuuga, but from the impeccable timing of all the gags. I also like to think other directors probably wouldn't have been insistent on having those practical explosions mixed in when Zanki and Todoyama transform (both times!), which adds a lot of weight and impact to the scene. Again, these guys make a strong first impression. Plus, I mostly just love how this extra information about how the Oni training program works is something we get to see in action, probably right before it's about to be relevant for Hibiki and Asumu. This isn't just some weird thing Hibiki might bring up out of nowhere, or some talk Ichiro has with Hibiki. We get to see how their world works, so we understand the moves they make in it. I really love that way of telling a story! So, obviously, money left on the table by not having Hibiki go with origami helpers, but... I don't think the CDs are that bad? I like that in the show you can just spin them and listen to some random noises to get information. That seems designed to get kids playing around with them in imaginative ways. I think I like them a lot more than some later series' plastic monster helpers.
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10-09-2020, 12:14 PM | #216 |
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It's more that, at this point in the story, it seemed like they were suggesting that everyone was working too hard to take care of themselves. Asumu maybe should've been more willing to say he was in pain, but he didn't want to be seen as weak again. Not really where they ended up going, but that's how it read to me at the time.
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10-09-2020, 12:28 PM | #217 |
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So, obviously, money left on the table by not having Hibiki go with origami helpers, but... I don't think the CDs are that bad? I like that in the show you can just spin them and listen to some random noises to get information. That seems designed to get kids playing around with them in imaginative ways. I think I like them a lot more than some later series' plastic monster helpers.
If I may add, there was also Nexus and Max, Sazer X, and Kamen Rider The First looking back.
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10-09-2020, 01:47 PM | #218 |
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And this episode also features the debut of Sabaki (I haven’t looked up what that means yet, I’ll get back to you on that one). As someone I follow on Twitter pointed out, he must’ve been someone on the crew’s favourite, since he appears in more episodes than the other non-regular Oni (even after the staff turnover mostly drops the minor Oni in favour of more focus on the main ones) he appears in the HBV and a post-show stage show. All he hasn’t received is an appearance in Decade and a Ridewatch in Zi-O’s toyline.
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In retrospect from a merchandise perspective, Hibiki was lacking. The henshin belt that is meant to be the flagship merch was replaced with tuning forks, whistles, and a wristband, what came close to a belt was a loincloth with a drum for a buckle and two drumsticks, though the roleplay weapons department I will give credit. And the disk animals were heavily underutilized as gimmick items. Meanwhile, we got a 5 sibling sentai team that was Harry Potter-ing it up with a feature phone that doubles as a wand, kickass robots, and let us not forget a magic lamp with a cat genie inside that doubles as a gun and is voiced by the dude who is Trunks and MMPR Japanese dub's Billy/Blue Ranger. And the studio behind Godzilla was doing their own thing with a show about a trio of heroes who also ride giant robots, etc. TL;DR the show under Takatera was gorgeous but merch was lacking except for the roleplay weapon toys.
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10-09-2020, 02:54 PM | #219 |
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For Asumu, I don't think the choice is between a go-nowhere plot or nothing? We've had plenty of plots with Asumu that work great. This just wasn't one of them. Quote:
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In retrospect from a merchandise perspective, Hibiki was lacking. The henshin belt that is meant to be the flagship merch was replaced with tuning forks, whistles, and a wristband, what came close to a belt was a loincloth with a drum for a buckle and two drumsticks, though the roleplay weapons department I will give credit. And the disk animals were heavily underutilized as gimmick items. Meanwhile, we got a 5 sibling sentai team that was Harry Potter-ing it up with a feature phone that doubles as a wand, kickass robots, and let us not forget a magic lamp with a cat genie inside that doubles as a gun and is voiced by the dude who is Trunks and MMPR Japanese dub's Billy/Blue Ranger. And the studio behind Godzilla was doing their own thing with a show about a trio of heroes who also ride giant robots, etc. TL;DR the show under Takatera was gorgeous but merch was lacking except for the roleplay weapon toys.
I will say that the lack of a Henshin belt (and someone saying Henshin) will never not bother me. I can understand every reason why it's not in this show, but it still bothers me.
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10-09-2020, 03:40 PM | #220 |
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4) And just so we don’t completely forget what show this is, it’s Hibiki! Training! With Ibuki and Akira! And because this show loves me, we’re back to Hibiki dreaming about being some sort of Obscured Rider, with his sunglasses and his Honda bike. (Honda’s all over this episode, with Takeshi having some fleet contracts to keep every Oni in an Element.) I genuinely adore that the show is making But He Doesn’t Ride A Bike into an ongoing storyline, when it’s easy enough to write off as something that doesn’t fit the life of a camping superhero. (Although, Ibuki!) It’s nice that he’s not good (yet) at something so core to the Kamen Rider aesthetic, so we can see him earn it. Very happy with this concept!
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6) I enjoyed the conversation between Hibiki and Akira quite a bit. For one, it’s something we don’t really get to see a lot on this show, the two of them getting a scene together. For another, it’s really nice to see Hibiki in that Casual Mentor role, considering we’re spending a lot more time with masters and apprentices than we have before. Seems like everyone’s got someone to look out for except Hibiki!
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9) Zanki is epically chill, the kind of unflappable protagonist that it’s easy to see Todoyama feeling inferior to. Zanki has a tough fight, one that exposed him as less than 100%, and is like Yep Done. That’s it. No heartfelt chat with his apprentice. No long walk where the weight of a thousand victories makes the next battle seem impossible to face. Dude just feels he’s done, sees the strides his apprentice has made, and quits. It’s great! It’s so goddamn cool! And it’s even cooler for Todoyama completely freaking out and running away from Zanki, while Zanki shakes his head in amusement. Just the best episode, you guys.
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13) Hey, real quick because I forgot to mention it: I like the Zanki/Todoyama suits! The guitar strings work great as a series of straps, and the show even came up with an over-the-shoulders variation for Sabaki. Todoyama’s white markings on his helmet work a little better for me than Zanki’s brown stripes, but both look good. Really fun way to incorporate guitar motifs into the Hibiki aesthetic.
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