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08-30-2020, 06:38 PM | #31 |
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You know, except for Ansatsu, Wazu, Soreo, and the actual Ark. Yeah, I know Soreo appeared in the finale, but I'm content with the idea that that's Zea pretending to be Soreo to give Aruto the push. Cuz it'd literally make zero sense for Soreo to come back with memories intact and then backtrack and have Izu not remember anything after being destroyed.
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08-30-2020, 06:46 PM | #32 |
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I feel like I'm the only one who enjoyed the ending.
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08-30-2020, 07:40 PM | #33 |
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I liked it too.
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08-30-2020, 07:54 PM | #34 |
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I felt that this ending was great. People tend to not realize this, due to the fact that this show is centered around AI, but Zero-One's theme has ALWAYS self-identity, which is far beyond machines gaining sentience; a theme that has already been explored plenty of times in the history of media. By making self-identity the theme of the show, it's allowed our human characters AND our non-human characters to really feel like they've connected. Kamen Rider, as a franchise, has explored the idea of robots and androids plenty of times in the past(in fact, it's a primary part of its history), but Zero-One managed to hit me in the feels in a completely different manner than say, the Roidmudes. If not for the pandemic, I truly believe the final arc of this show would have been absolutely perfect.
Has Horobi done a metric fuck ton of horrible things in Zero-One? No doubt about it. However, Aruto not forgiving him and giving into his negative emotions would have probably been the most predictable outcome in the series. If ANYONE were to forgive the most heinous Humagear that exists in Zero-One since the very beginning, it's Aruto. If ANYONE were to forgive Horobi, the Humagear who murdered someone's best companion, who was also a Humagear, it is absolutely Aruto. The only one who could put a stop to the inevitable war between humanity and Humagear? It had to be Aruto. Considering the impact 2020 has left in our world, it is genuinely impossible for me to believe anyone seriously thought that Zero-One would have an absolutely heartbreaking ending. |
08-30-2020, 08:04 PM | #35 |
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Trust me when I say you're not the only one. I fairly enjoyed it, whole series even. Zero-One enjoyed the highest of highs, but also suffered the lowest of lows.
The ending is not "completely different" but it's still different. This is the only rider show, in recent memory for me, that has the MC and final villain resolve their differences and not kill each other. (Gaim had Kouta kill Kaito to do that.) Am I weirded out that Izu is just suddenly replaced? Oh yes, it would've been better if Aruto just held onto Izu's Ribbon and key. I think it would be cool if the movie tackles new Izu (and Aruto) dealing with the fact that she's just a replacement. This will tie into the theme that Humagears are also people. New Izu (and Aruto) will cope together over the loss of OG Izu and Aruto will finally move on and let new Izu be her own person. Let's call her Sharun (Shall). I mean, c'mon that pained look on Aruto when New Izu explained his Zero-One joke has to mean something. Horobi being spared, rebuilt, and forgiven? It was a bit out there and he could've used an episode for Aruto to really feel it in him to forgive Horobi instead of talk no jutsu by Soreo. But it's still in-character for Aruto. Horobi had caused massive casualties on both humanity and humagears alike but he was doing it in the name of the Ark and freedom of humagears. Once he realized what the Ark actually wanted, he turned on it and humanity because he criticizes the hypocrisy of the humans. Saying MJBR is evil when they (Gai) are the ones who built the Ark. After killing Izu and losing Jin, he starts wavering, afraid of what he's feeling deep inside his heart, he then rejects it and blames it on humanity because "how could I be wrong when humanity did this? Humanity made me lose my son!". I Horobi needed an episode to show him breakdown from the loss of Jin. When Horobi says: "humanity needs to be eradicated so humagears could live free." He doesn't mean it because we see him show little regard for them when he fights Ark-One. No, this is him giving weak reasoning to his hate, his malice. When Horobi recalls that Aruto had lost family too (four, in fact. Soreo, Korenosuke, Izu, and Wazu.), it's not him stating the obvious, it's him finally admitting and realizing that he, himself, is a massive hyopcrite as wel; That he, too, has a heart. And so, he transforms one last time, mimicking what Aruto did a while ago, to let Zero-One kill him. But Aruto doesn't. True in the nature of his character, Aruto spares Horobi. Why? Because both of them now have the heart to forgive. Horobi asks: "Why didn't you kill me?" Aruto responds with: "Is there a need too...?" Because as long as you have acknowledged your own mistakes, as long as you have the strength within your heart to forgive, as long as you recognize your hypocrisy, as long as you take the steps necessary to fix yourself, to suffer, cry, heal, and move on, then you don't have to kill. You can settle your differences and walk away from the duel. If Aruto had killed Horobi, it would have proven one of the Ark's points that the only way to achieve "peace" is to eradicate one or the other. If Aruto killed Horobi, it would have divided humanity and humagears alike even more, because Horobi was basically their representative. (Tho, an episode could be used to give the humagear populace to side with Horobi.) Horobi, in own his eyes, sees himself as a protector, only with pathetic reasoning behind it to shadow his weak self. But what he really was, was a father to Jin, a protector of his son. Aruto had long since recognized this. "After all, we're Kamen Riders, aren't we?" -- I MIGHT be talking out of my ass, but I've been kind of agitated for a while now, seeing people (especially on Twitter), trash on Zero-One because of the ending. Some just outright pretending the show never existed. I'm very passionate when it comes to these. Omori gave us the wrong message. If he said only: "Zero-One will describe how Reiwa will be going forward", I guarantee that expectations will be much lowered. The ending will definitely not satisfy everyone, and I'm fine with that. But I hate it when people outright just call the whole show trash, because of the ending and the job arc. But that's it. I really hope the movie tackles the decisions the finale did, like new Izu and have Horobi make up for what he did, (excited to maybe see him transform alongside Aruto once more for the movie.) give Naki and Yua more screentime and something to do, and Gai be Gai. I'm a fan of Zero-One, I love the cast, and I'm probably going to miss them as much as I did the Drive, Build, and ZI-O cast. Whole show for me is a 6.5/10. 7/10 if the movie elaborates on the finale. |
08-30-2020, 09:00 PM | #36 |
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That being said, looking back at the scene of the two of them in that big void and telling stupid jokes for one last time... It's making me get choked up despite everything. Next time we see Aruto and Izu is future movies or cameos, I'm just going to not think about the show's final scene and just be like 'oh hey its aruto and izu!'. |
08-30-2020, 09:45 PM | #37 |
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I can understand that the vibe of the scene is probably suppose to be like she has just lost her memories instead of being a new person, but I really can't come to seeing it that way myself. It would require an exceedingly generous read even without the way the show has been consistently presenting how the backups and stuff work.
That being said, looking back at the scene of the two of them in that big void and telling stupid jokes for one last time... It's making me get choked up despite everything. Next time we see Aruto and Izu is future movies or cameos, I'm just going to not think about the show's final scene and just be like 'oh hey its aruto and izu!'. |
08-30-2020, 10:17 PM | #38 |
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08-30-2020, 11:19 PM | #39 |
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Final fight was awesome, but i don't think the show ever fully recovered from a few flaws in concept
Primarily . . . we spent SO MUCH TIME on humagears that got "killed" and then fully restored early on. There are very little stakes, so your attachment to any human gear was diminished constantly. That really robbed some of the impact of Izu's death and reappearance; ditto for Jin. So much was made of Horobi hating humanity, but several episodes we got thee moment where he realized he was a "father" to Jin. What was supposed to be the thing that made him stop wrecking stuff? And if he truly did, why did they still fight? And if they still had to fight, why didn't Aruto finish him? His suit still hat Ark stuff on it Did they not bother looking for Azu, knowing she was behind alot of stuff? Zero-One had some of my favorite suit designs and fights, and Fuwa truly signed in his first half arc. Once he got his memory stuff done, it felt like they didn't know what to do with him. He was basically the main character for the first half of the show since he actually developed, while Aruto languished as wildly mopy and incompetent, letting Gai own him Gai, worthless. he came in as a genius, never really go this comeuppance, got turned babyface with a stupid robot dog, his dad shows up and does almost nothing. There was the DNA of a three way battle between Aruto, fighting for Human-humagear co-existence, Hobori, fighting for Human gear independence, and Gai, looking to replace Humangears with his own tech that turned Humans into drones, but it all got muddled up That whole "contest" arc that dragged on really hurt like hell
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08-31-2020, 12:06 AM | #40 |
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So Metsubojinrai.net is now some kind of vigilante operation? Is that how it goes?
If so, they might want a name change, considering how the name is pretty terrorist. |
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