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10-04-2013, 10:22 AM | #41 |
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Seriously guys it's a discussion over a fun continuity lite 2-parter. Tone it down some. There's no reason at all to get crazy or defensive over something like this.
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10-04-2013, 10:25 AM | #42 |
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Aside from pointing out minor continuity gaffes, no one is giving a rear critique.
I'm just pointing out that, if ultimately the point of the episode is to waste time, why is dickriding it like crazy acceptable, but pointing out minor issues unacceptable? No one is parading around with all the flaws in story telling, plot, pacing, etc. People want to know whether or not the rider rings created real characters or constructs. People want to know if Momo was Den-O, how he went Liner form. Etc etc. And what do you mean it'll be reversed for Gaim? I actually enjoy critiquing things, as everyone knows, but I just think it's kinda sad that there are shows out there with genuine crippling problems that people ignore, yet people have put in so much effort critiquing something like this which just doesn't need it. And I mean, I bet as soon as Gaim starts, if someone says a single bad thing about it they'll be pounced on like raw meat in the lion cage.
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10-04-2013, 10:31 AM | #43 |
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I think we're just all in agreement that it was a fun two parter to watch and for the most part, a good way to wait for Gaim. Where the stickiness of it all comes in is where there were obvious showa moments that allow for speculation. I don't mind that at all. I think it's good to second guess the idea behind putting character x in a specific situation, and it kind of fuels the whole "which rider is better" discussion that we as fans like to have.
Plus, in comparison to some of the Westernized versions of series (looking at you Megaforce), this was the equivalent of Lord Of The Rings.
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10-04-2013, 10:44 AM | #44 |
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Actually, over the two threads multiple people have claimed this was bad 'because it makes no sense' like they were expecting some thought out elseworlds story or some shit.
I actually enjoy critiquing things, as everyone knows, but I just think it's kinda sad that there are shows out there with genuine crippling problems that people ignore, yet people have put in so much effort critiquing something like this which just doesn't need it. And I mean, I bet as soon as Gaim starts, if someone says a single bad thing about it they'll be pounced on like raw meat in the lion cage. Fun is not objective. Additionally, you call mediocre mech design a crippling problem, so it's not people ignoring crippling issues, it's that you're holding a series to an oddly high standard for strangely petty reasons when it seems to receive any sort of praise vs how lenient you are towards a series generally decried as "Bad" despite having crippling issues of it's own. And that's unlikely, considering the main writer is relatively unpopular and opinions have tended to be split with the current series. I don't think Gaim would be any different.
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10-04-2013, 10:55 AM | #45 |
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The issue stems from the two parter being justified as "It's just for fun!", but the simple realization of "What if someone didn't have fun watching it?" Why are they suddenly written off when the justification of the special is invalidated by their opinion? Why is it suddenly put up or shut up when it comes down to the 44 minutes someone who didn't enjoy it may have wasted watching it?
Fun is not objective. Additionally, you call mediocre mech design a crippling problem, so it's not people ignoring crippling issues, it's that you're holding a series to an oddly high standard for strangely petty reasons when it seems to receive any sort of praise vs how lenient you are towards a series generally decried as "Bad" despite having crippling issues of it's own. And that's unlikely, considering the main writer is relatively unpopular and opinions have tended to be split with the current series. I don't think Gaim would be any different. What are you talking about, mech design? If you look at any of my posts in the last five or ten or so episodes of Wizard you'll see me criticising it plenty, I think Wizard had a pretty strong beginning but lost its way in the middle and clearly just didn't care by the end. Given the dickriding Gaim is already getting in its respective threads, based on a few images and clips, Gaim is either gonna be the next Kyoryuger (IE an insanely mediocre series, that powers through on fanhype for a few months before everyone starts realising how bad it is) or everyone is going to have set their expectations so ludicrously high the only thing left is to be disappointed.
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10-04-2013, 10:59 AM | #46 |
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If you didn't have fun, fine, if you claimed you didn't enjoy the special because of expectations much higher than anything the special ever claimed to be, then just come on, man.
What are you talking about, mech design? If you look at any of my posts in the last five or ten or so episodes of Wizard you'll see me criticising it plenty, I think Wizard had a pretty strong beginning but lost its way in the middle and clearly just didn't care by the end. Given the dickriding Gaim is already getting in its respective threads, based on a few images and clips, Gaim is either gonna be the next Kyoryuger (IE an insanely mediocre series, that powers through on fanhype for a few months before everyone starts realising how bad it is) or everyone is going to have set their expectations so ludicrously high the only thing left is to be disappointed.
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10-04-2013, 11:05 AM | #47 |
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I was just using Matrix's term of phrase.
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10-04-2013, 11:26 AM | #48 |
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I noticed. And Matrixbeast received an infraction for his language as well. So if anyone else wants to take that kind of attitude they will also receive one. Please cut it out and be more respectful.
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10-04-2013, 11:37 AM | #49 |
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I stated on the first page that I did enjoy the episode. I'm just playing devil's advocate because it seems to have suddenly become taboo to not like the episode or to have issue with something about it.
And the excitement for Gaim seems to stem from it allegedly dropping the 2 part episode format that started up with Den-O (Or Kabuto. Been a while since watching Kabuto, and I don't remember if it had the 2 episode format), allowing for greater plots by allowing the primary story to be in the forefront rather than taking a backseat to the character of the week's problem.
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10-04-2013, 11:44 AM | #50 |
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I stated on the first page that I did enjoy the episode. I'm just playing devil's advocate because it seems to have suddenly become taboo to not like the episode or to have issue with something about it.
And the excitement for Gaim seems to stem from it allegedly dropping the 2 part episode format that started up with Den-O (Or Kabuto. Been a while since watching Kabuto, and I don't remember if it had the 2 episode format), allowing for greater plots by allowing the primary story to be in the forefront rather than taking a backseat to the character of the week's problem. I must admit, I am excited to see what Gaim does with its pacing, if there really can be a focused 49 episode toku series or if the of the week stuff is just gonna be replaced by equally as distracting filler. I can't help but wonder how much better shows would have been, without the 2 episode format. I mean it suited shows like Fourze, but Wizard's plot took a backseat for the Gates of the week and the show suffered for it as did the villains in shows like OOO and so on.
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