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03-15-2019, 03:19 PM | #41 |
The Observer of the Unkno
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Yes, I agree that Geiz switching back and forth with allegiances is a huge problem but I think this episode was more than a wake up call but a horrifying revelation to him.
If Tsukuyomi did cause the bus crash, that means she murdered Sougo's parents and possibly in turn lead to Sougo rise as Oma Zi-O and Geiz's part is of his inactions. To learn that you and your friends' paranoia and selfishness is the reason your life is crap is something they can't handle. Not to mention if Sougo ever finds out that his supposed closest friends ruined his childhood, there will be Hell to pay. There, Geiz Revive fights Zi-O due to a combination of fear of Oma Zi-O's rise and as mercy to atone for dragging Sougo into the mess in the first place. |
03-15-2019, 08:11 PM | #42 |
Bat Hero
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To anyone going "WTF is going on with Tsukuyomi"...
I think it's more so she figured "Crud, he's got the basic Oma powers! My plan didn't work! Time to convince Geiz to do his part!" It's like trying to get your friend to stop making fun of people, and then they turn into a full-on bully/jerk. Would you really still be friends with that person? Even after trying to lead them down the right path? Tsukuyomi's turn could have been handled better. Not wrong there. But I think it was more how FAST Sougo changed (freaking reset time without a second thought) that led her to follow her gut instinct and press the mental "panic" button. As others have mentioned, she wasn't really "friends" with Sougo. She wasn't close to him; she was more so the "angel on the shoulder" another person mentioned. And she wasn't going to kill him initially. But, hey. Seeing your totally normal guy friend suddenly gain the powers of the man who ruined your world makes you do crazy things. And Geiz's turn. Yeah, development coulda been done better. But I figure he's more so using Geiz Revive to kill Sougo so no one else has to. His lack of resolve got Tsukuyomi supposedly killed. And so he hardens his resolve to make sure that doesn't happen again. After reading some of the posts here (particularly Fish's and MaskedRiderAsakura's), I can see Geiz as a more rounded character now. I just don't have the time to torrent because I'm tied down with school. So if we ever get a mid-series batch, I'll watch it. Bottom line, I'm still loving Zi-O. Last edited by MangaArtist18; 03-15-2019 at 08:23 PM.. |
03-15-2019, 09:32 PM | #43 |
King of the Rolex
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To anyone going "WTF is going on with Tsukuyomi"...
I think it's more so she figured "Crud, he's got the basic Oma powers! My plan didn't work! Time to convince Geiz to do his part!" It's like trying to get your friend to stop making fun of people, and then they turn into a full-on bully/jerk. Would you really still be friends with that person? Even after trying to lead them down the right path? Tsukuyomi's turn could have been handled better. Not wrong there. But I think it was more how FAST Sougo changed (freaking reset time without a second thought) that led her to follow her gut instinct and press the mental "panic" button. As others have mentioned, she wasn't really "friends" with Sougo. She wasn't close to him; she was more so the "angel on the shoulder" another person mentioned. And she wasn't going to kill him initially. But, hey. Seeing your totally normal guy friend suddenly gain the powers of the man who ruined your world makes you do crazy things. And Geiz's turn. Yeah, development coulda been done better. But I figure he's more so using Geiz Revive to kill Sougo so no one else has to. His lack of resolve got Tsukuyomi supposedly killed. And so he hardens his resolve to make sure that doesn't happen again. Bottom line, I'm still loving Zi-O. Last edited by Koh; 03-15-2019 at 10:12 PM.. Reason: edit: changing the example |
03-15-2019, 10:31 PM | #44 |
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Like I said, her heel-face turn coulda gone better.... (A TL;DR here for a sec. Basically everyone's on a deadline. Kill/change Sougo before Oma Day. And Tsukuyomi and Geiz are hard-pressed to meet that deadline, but their roles have been switched (at least until this episode).) ....But I like to think that, with what we're given now, that her witnessing Sougo's first true step towards Oma, especially after his freakout back in 16 (which I feel reaffirmed her faith in his not turning evil), made her become a bit more irrational and hasty. Which I think is reason for how fast it happened. To her, I think that Oma Day could, literally, be tomorrow, and she'd have no way of knowing. So she starts pushing Geiz's original goal, leaving Geiz between a rock and a hard place: kill Sougo or trust in him? When, let's say, a student, waits until the last minute for a deadline they want to do good on, they change up their whole lifestyle and fixate on that deadline until that deadline is met and taken care of. In this case, Tsukuyomi is the student and Oma Day is the deadline. And seeing as how Oma Day is literally only months away (as mentioned in, I think, episode 15), her few weeks with Sougo clearly haven't changed him in her eyes, with the advent of Zi-O II. Mind you, this happens shortly after the meeting of Sougo in the future. To see him accessing his future powers now (e.g. time rewind and future-making dreams) makes her more fearful of the deadline. Also, Sougo said that he "accepts his good and evil sides"; make of that what you wish. EDIT: To add to this, Tsukuyomi trusted Sougo a lot. And this trust was, in my eyes, solidified after Sougo's breakdown and later dedication to give up being a king. So to see him embrace his Oma powers (and overkill via Zi-O II) basically destroyed that trust, leading her to become more spiteful towards him. He was never the pure cinnamon roll she made him out to be- he always had the ability to become Oma, and so her efforts were also a waste. EDIT: To further back this up, didn't she say, at the start of Zi-O II's debut episode, that she believed Sougo could never become Oma Zi-O? Back to Geiz and Tsukuyomi, though... This is the "Hourglass Plot" trope being applied. Tsukuyomi starts out not wanting to kill Sougo, and grows to really believe he's a good person; but after seeing his first step towards Oma, she panics and feels betrayed, and starts to turn on him. Geiz initially wants to kill Sougo, he eventually learns to love the guy, and was recently caught in a 2-1 vote in favor of killing Sougo. It's just now that Geiz turns on him for real, due to having his resolve shaken and solidified. I think both reactions are very reasonable. But they could have been done better. That being said, if you read between the lines, their actions make a lot of sense. At least, to me they do. They might not make sense to anyone else... Last edited by MangaArtist18; 03-15-2019 at 11:51 PM.. |
03-15-2019, 11:39 PM | #45 |
King of the Rolex
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No, I get what you're saying. A lot of people are complaining about how Tsuku's turn felt too fast.
Like I said, her heel-face turn coulda gone better.... (A TL;DR here for a sec. Basically everyone's on a deadline. Kill/change Sougo before Oma Day. And Tsukuyomi and Geiz are hard-pressed to meet that deadline, but their roles have been switched (at least until this episode).) ....But I like to think that, with what we're given now, that her witnessing Sougo's first true step towards Oma, especially after his freakout back in 16 (which I feel reaffirmed her faith in his not turning evil), made her become a bit more irrational and hasty. Which I think is reason for how fast it happened. To her, I think that Oma Day could, literally, be tomorrow, and she'd have no way of knowing. So she starts pushing Geiz's original goal, leaving Geiz between a rock and a hard place: kill Sougo or trust in him? When, let's say, a student, waits until the last minute for a deadline they want to do good on, they change up their whole lifestyle and fixate on that deadline until that deadline is met and taken care of. In this case, Tsukuyomi is the student and Oma Day is the deadline. And seeing as how Oma Day is literally only months away (as mentioned in, I think, episode 15), her few weeks with Sougo clearly haven't changed him in her eyes, with the advent of Zi-O II. Mind you, this happens shortly after the meeting of Sougo in the future. To see him accessing his future powers now (e.g. time rewind and future-making dreams) makes her more fearful of the deadline. Also, Sougo said that he "accepts his good and evil sides"; make of that what you wish. (EDIT: To add to this, Tsukuyomi trusted Sougo a lot. And this trust was, in my eyes, solidified after Sougo's breakdown and later dedication to give up being a king. So to see him embrace his Oma powers (and overkill via Zi-O II) basically destroyed that trust, leading her to become more spiteful towards him. He was never the pure cinnamon roll she made him out to be- he always had the ability to become Oma, and so her efforts were also a waste) Back to Geiz and Tsukuyomi, though... This is the "Hourglass Plot" trope being applied. Tsukuyomi starts out not wanting to kill Sougo, and grows to really believe he's a good person; but after seeing his first step towards Oma, she panics and feels betrayed, and starts to turn on him. Geiz initially wants to kill Sougo, he eventually learns to love the guy, and was recently caught in a 2-1 vote in favor of killing Sougo. It's just now that Geiz turns on him for real, due to having his resolve shaken and solidified. I think both reactions are very reasonable. But they could have been done better. That being said, if you read between the lines, their actions make a lot of sense. At least, to me they do. They might not make sense to anyone else... |
03-15-2019, 11:54 PM | #46 |
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Well.... That makes this kinda awkward? I added another edit in right right before I saw your reply. Tsukuyomi, if what I hear is right (I don't have time to torrent episodes now, sorry), said at the start of episode 22 that she truly believed Sougo could never become Oma Zi-O. Combine that line with Sougo "betraying" her trust that very same episode, and it all makes sense why she acted as rash as she did in recent episodes. |
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