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07-01-2023, 02:38 PM | #611 |
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Tamaki and Genta's shirts, though! Those stains are never coming out!
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07-01-2023, 06:41 PM | #612 |
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Random question for Die. Do you think the plot of this show could've worked for an elseworld scenario for Venom with Genta's story being used for an elseworld Eddie Brock? I ask cause I am aware Eddie's son became Venom as well at one point and stuff in the books and Revi especially resembles a pink and cyan Venom despite being modeled after a T-rex.
That and Vice is pretty much a symbiote as a demon imo.
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07-01-2023, 06:46 PM | #613 |
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Random question for Die. Do you think the plot of this show could've worked for an elseworld scenario for Venom with Genta's story being used for an elseworld Eddie Brock? I ask cause I am aware Eddie's son became Venom as well at one point and stuff in the books and Revi especially resembles a pink and cyan Venom despite being modeled after a T-rex.
That and Vice is pretty much a symbiote as a demon imo.
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07-01-2023, 07:20 PM | #614 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 50 - “FAMILY TO THE END, UNTIL THE DAY WE MEET AGAIN”
I don’t know if I’m 100% on board with this ending, but I’m trying to get there. Production-wise, it’s flawless. The final battle of the show is two best friends – family members – having a goofy brawl through their relationship, in hopes of creating a happier future. It’s not a gritted-teeth Final Showdown, like a lot of shows would go to; it’s play, pure and simple. This is the final fight of Kamen Rider Revice, but it’s also a last bit of fun for Ikki and Vice. How the show visualizes that as laughter and tears and memories and farts and bike rides and almost every suit and all of the cast laughing along with them… I literally can’t think of a better finale right now, and I’m trying. (Well: bench.) It’s joyous in its celebration of everything Ikki and Vice meant to each other, and tearful in its need to say… well, not goodbye. Not really goodbye. It’s a finale that’s more about closing one chapter and starting another, rather than trying to be anything definitive for anyone in the cast. (There’s even a post-credit cameo by The Star Of The Stars Of The Stars, to let you know that Kamen Rider Revice will be back in front of an audience before too long.) There’s a sense that Vice leaving is letting Ikki spread his wings now as an adult, and it’s okay for him to be on his own. That’s the part I’m having trouble with. The idea that Vice is holding back Ikki’s development is a weird one, even if it feels like it fits well within the context of the last few episodes. Yukimi and Genta view Vice's sacrifice as proof of Ikki’s emotional growth and maturity – a first step into adulthood – even though Vail didn’t exactly go anywhere over the last couple decades. Daiji and Sakura wonder when their own maturity will render their demons unnecessary, and that feels like the same misguided trap that almost drove Daiji insane. It’s an overall view of Ikki and Vice’s bond as codependent that I just sort of can’t see in the way the show probably wants me to. Ikki and Vice are family, and it’s not like the show said that Ikki needed to leave his family behind in order to be his best self. (Far from it, as the episode lovingly recreates the smiling family of the opening credits in a brief cleaning scene.) Vice leaving is a tragic consequence, and not one that even needs to stick around. Ikki doesn’t need Vice’s protection from tragedy any longer, but Vice ended up being so much more than that over the course of the show. A happy ending where Vice is gone feels incomplete, and no amount of foreshadowing can make up for that. It’s bittersweet in a way that I’m not entirely sure is intentional, because I’m not super clear on how Ikki becomes a better person without Vice around. It makes for an emotionally messy conclusion, where characters are saying things that seem right for the scene, and wrong for the series. I was onboard with Vice’s sacrifice and Ikki’s embrace of his buddy’s resolve, but then the comments from the rest of the Igarashis felt tone-deaf and mildly disrespectful. So much hard work is done to honor the Revice partnership, and all it accomplished, which is then slightly squandered by concocting a silver lining for this cloud. I wish I loved the second half of this episode as much as I loved the first half. I still think there’s some cute and funny stuff in the back section (the show belatedly remembering Hikaru exists!), but I wish the show did a better job of explaining why it’s necessary for Vice to be gone when it’s wrong for Ikki’s other family members to be gone. If the show had landed on Vice being a tragic loss that created a happier future, fine, yes, absolutely; if the show wants to suggest Ikki’s better off not having Vice around, I start to check out. But overall, I did like this final episode. It’s so on its own wavelength, and I love it for that. It’s an utterly unique celebration of a show so many people disliked, so much so that I laughed a little at the closing appreciation for the audience’s support. (God help any future series that gets this kind of "support"!) But I think it’s a flawed show that created a lot of goodwill with me, and a collection of characters that had so many unexpected moments of brilliance that I’m more than okay with a chunk of this episode giving them delightful sendoffs. It was a good show, and this was a good ending.
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07-01-2023, 07:52 PM | #615 |
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The final throwdown between Ikki and Vice is one of my favorite final battles in all of Kamen Rider, possibly just behind Kenzaki and Hajime's last confrontation. A lot of it comes down to the fact that I'm a pet guy; I've had some combination of dogs and cats for most of my life. Last year was actually pretty rough, in fact, because I had to put my cat to sleep - it'll be a year to the day in a couple weeks, actually. There's a lot that resonates me with Ikki taking Vice to the park for one last play before the end.
The stakes are basically nonexistent. Nobody is in danger, nothing needs saving, this is just Ikki and Vice having one last, glorious day together. It's probably not a scene that works that well for everybody, but it's something that I absolutely relate to and I will always appreciate it as the show's final action sequence, even after Vice is inevitably revived for a movie (assuming that hasn't already happened). |
07-01-2023, 08:32 PM | #616 |
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The final throwdown between Ikki and Vice is one of my favorite final battles in all of Kamen Rider, possibly just behind Kenzaki and Hajime's last confrontation. A lot of it comes down to the fact that I'm a pet guy; I've had some combination of dogs and cats for most of my life. Last year was actually pretty rough, in fact, because I had to put my cat to sleep - it'll be a year to the day in a couple weeks, actually. There's a lot that resonates me with Ikki taking Vice to the park for one last play before the end.
The stakes are basically nonexistent. Nobody is in danger, nothing needs saving, this is just Ikki and Vice having one last, glorious day together. It's probably not a scene that works that well for everybody, but it's something that I absolutely relate to and I will always appreciate it as the show's final action sequence, even after Vice is inevitably revived for a movie (assuming that hasn't already happened). Similarly, I think this ending gets a lot mileage out of how deep and rich the bond is between Ikki and Vice. If Vice has to go, then Ikki wants to make sure that Vice has one last good memory before the end. It's an ending that only wants to leave you with a smile, even if there's sadness in the mix. Vice was a way for Ikki to hide from terrible memories, and the end result was giving Ikki back every memory but those with Vice. It's... I just really like that this show wants to end with Vice putting Ikki before himself, because that's exactly what Ikki would do.
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07-02-2023, 02:53 AM | #617 |
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Honestly, the whole idea of letting go of Vice seems like a fairly good message, that unfortunately doesn’t fit in with the show’s post episode 28 message of living with your demons, instead going back to the original message of “overcoming your demons to become better”. But I’m guessing the only reason Ikki isn’t suffering for it like Daiji (because let’s face it, no-one else actually suffered for losing their demons in his series) was is… the fact Vice suicided himself though fine print?
And I got some laughs out the fact that not only is there a Raise Buckle just lying around the Happy Spa, but that Ace knows to show up and take it (has he made similar puzzling visits to Kuji-Go Do, Hiden Intelligence and Fantastoc Bookstore Kamiyama?), mostly because the Revice Driver buckle was a pre-order bonus, making this some very blatant “buy the new toy” scene. And I know some people in Malaysia got a kick out of Daiji and Hiromi’s new club being called Blue Bird, because that’s the name of a local transport company. And now, the final skit. Like last time, I’m pulling from a Yu-Gi-Oh episode, in particular VRAINS’ finale. Vice: Alright Ikki. This is the last time we do this, before I inevitably fade away. But before we start, tell me. Was I a good partner? Ikki: If I’m honest, no. Not even when it came to using this Vistamp. Fifty Gale! Tornado Up! Trinity! Us Siblings! This Youthful Storm is Infinite! Kamen Rider Igarashi! Ikki: Evolved from Thunder Gale through Mom’s demon, Fifty Gale combines myself, Daiji and Sakura into a single warrior with all of our powers. But right now, it’s just me. (He pulls on his Vistamp twice) Volcano Festival! Vice: Yeah, let’s end this. (He takes out the Rolling Vistamp, pushing on the side of it, before clenching the trigger) Rolling Rider Punch! The two attacks end up meeting each other in midair. Vice: It’s no use, Ikki. Our arsenals are identical. It’s impossible for you to gain the advantage. (Enter Geats, transformed into MagnumBoost) Geats: Maybe not Revi, but mine might make a difference. (He brings out his sidearm) Magnum Shooter 40X! Geats then removes his Magnum Buckle and spins his Belt around, transforming into Boost. Revolve On! He then inserts the other Buckle into his weapon, which transforms into a rifle. He then revs on the Boost Buckle twice. Boost Time! Geats fires his weapons, creating a flurry of energy projectiles which merge into one, before revving the Boost Buckle and leaping into the air, to make the bullet his foot for a Rider Kick. Magnum Tactical Blast!/Boost Grand Strike! Vice takes the hit and is knocked out of his Rider form, flying backwards several feet. Ikki undoes his transformation and runs towards him. Ikki: Vice. Are you okay? Vice: No, I’m not. After that hit, I’m like Vail. I’ll be going back inside your body and not coming back out until your issues resurface. Ikki: You never really wanted to end humanity, did you? This was all so you could make me get rid of you and recover my memories. Vice: You got me. Admittedly, you could’ve fought anyone to get back your family. I only stepped up to the plate because no-one else was left. But seriously, I really wasn’t a good partner? Ikki: No, for three simple reasons. One, you never shut your mouth, making it hard to come up with plans without the enemy countering them. Two, you would often stop fighting to talk to thin air. And three, your presence more often than not was a liability for my own power. For those reasons, you were never a good partner. But you were a great friend. And it’s too bad I’m going to lose you. Vice: Yeah, it’s a real shame. But remember. As long as you need me, and Toei wills it to happen, I’ll always be coming back to help. And with that, his body crackles and dissolves into black smoke, which is sucked into Ikki’s body. Ikki: VICE! (He starts crying for a second, before reasserting himself) What was I just upset about? George appears. George: So, you forgot about the battle that just happened. But do you remember the names Daiji, Sakura, Genta and Yukimi? Ikki: Duh. They’re my family. I’d never forget them, no matter what. George: So it’s true. With Vice’s contract fully fulfilled, he erased Ikki’s memories of himself to restore those of the Igarashi family. Geats: No need to thank me. I was just providing the highlight. (He turns and begins to leave) Ikki: Wait a minute! Where are you going? Geats: I have my own important family to search for. And something tells me it won’t be as easy to find as yours is. (He then vanishes) Spider Phone: Mission Start! Desire Driver: Ready, Fight |
07-02-2023, 03:24 AM | #618 |
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as much vitrioll as I gave Revice's second half I will give it credit for IMO other than Blade having the best ending in the franchise strictly because it FOR ONCE Didn't halfass or rush something and let something stick also liked how the finale was generally speaking much more focused on wrapping up the character arcs (Admittedly like you said it's more close one chapter of the characters lives beginning another)now if only I Could ignore everything that happened to GET To this point
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07-02-2023, 10:50 AM | #619 |
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Honestly, the whole idea of letting go of Vice seems like a fairly good message, that unfortunately doesn?t fit in with the show?s post episode 28 message of living with your demons, instead going back to the original message of ?overcoming your demons to become better?.
And thanks for the fun skit! Yeah, I appreciated how much every character got a little grace note, considering how much the last three episodes were just about Ikki, Vice, and George. Yukimi starts an uplifting livestream! Tamaki and Hana end up not going to jail! Sakura wants to be a doctor! It's all very sweet and optimistic.
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07-02-2023, 08:02 PM | #620 |
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I would say at least Ikki regaining his memories didn't come out of nowhere, as it already had a setup even if it was a few episodes ago, with the reason of Ikki considering a Vice a family that their contract was ongoing. But like before, Ikki's smart and resourceful, and it's consistent here, thus Lovekov revealing herself would had Ikki realizing that Vice's trying to sacrifice herself to get his memories back, though it seems that, like other "cruel" to be kind (well in this case, only the emotional damage to Ikki before), it doesn't need to be done, if it's about Ikki fighting as Revice only, not killing Vice. Though Ikki agreed to choose everyone else over Vice here, albeit obviously saddened by Vice's departure, but the final fight is canceled and turned into them playfully fighting instead, which shows how far they've come that now they can't ever be hostile to each other anymore, and there's some goodness in the varied old powers being used, which makes sense because they aren't looking to quickly kill each other.
The next part of the episodes are simply the cast's activities after all the series, and other than Ikki losing Vice (which is mitigated by him forgetting Vice), this bittersweet ending leans heavily on happy. Ikki returns into playing soccer and being encouraged by his idol Miura to go pro, and he's apparently better than before. Probably due to his fighting as Kamen Rider, but Ikki returning there seems to show that Ikki wants to pursue his dreams instead of which probably made him resentful. Daiji now can shine as the founder of Blue Bird, and getting what he wanted to steer Fenix to the right path. Sakura's now being a normal schoolgirl studying for medical school, dunno what made her interested in that, though it's not exactly nowhere. And Yukimi followed Genta's footsteps, which tbf, she has never ridiculed Genta for his streaming before. So Tamaki and Aguilera canceled their plan to turn themselves in? Though yeah working on Blue Bird is more useful than being imprisoned. Which Orteca still is due to him being left normal human, of which his actions led into only George that wanted to visit him, and also, he got quite appropriate punishment of 666 years, far beyond average human's lifespan, and it's something realistic for crimes that are really severe. For the series itself, as I and many others have said, Revice started out smooth, if rather quick, but fell apart midway. It was a series that is refreshing to give the main characters full-fledged family (and eventually, being Rider families except Yukimi), and started out in an MOTW format that involved troubled people being used by Deadmans to manifest their inner demons as the monsters to fight, and it transitioned smoothly into the main plot of how being exposed into Riders and demons potentially ruin the Igarashi's harmony, inside or out, but would fulfill the goals of the villains and potentially George. Later the main villain faction breaks apart in quite punching twist. After that though, there's some rough path like the handling of the former generals, sans Orteca (which was the highlight), but it didn't impact the series as a whole, and seemingly getting back to track at ep. 25 for Vail plot twist, making use of Hiromi as a convincing buildup. But after that, there are too much ideas that the series end up often leaving in half-assed way, like the Ushijimas being a fake family, George focusing on new daddy issues with Masumi, the establishment of Weekend, the three siblings going on different path, other demon conflicts of the Igarashis, building up Giff as an active participant, Giff's underlings fulfilling his goal, even the background of the former generals, and of course Ikki's amnesia. The story quite shuffles focus into what's needed, and some got less focus between these jugglings like the Ushijimas, or even Ikki and Vice with their amnesia used as only the series closure. There's also inconsistency like how Kagerou was killed despite the implication of the previous buildup. The highs of the series at this point was reached only by the side medias like Vail Legacy, and in the series proper, it was ep. 42 due to being similar to said miniseries, with it making use of Hiromi's return and giving a good theme about forgiving yourself with a fight that is related to solve the problem. It'd be better if Revice isn't distracting itself as much from its family focus, like the screentime of Giff's underlings, which is the main theme of Revice and what made it different.
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