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09-04-2020, 12:12 PM | #911 |
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You did fine. I think the main reason people kinda petered off was moreso due to Blade not exactly being popular, even if it does have its fans. I also feel like the people who showed up early just to drop off kinda just said their piece and stood to lurking afterward. Nothing to really fret about.
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09-04-2020, 12:28 PM | #912 |
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ONE EPISODE MUTSUKI is definitely something I yelled at one point!
Regardless, my laptop’s in for repairs till next week and typing on the phone is painful, so just briefly... yeah. Yeah Blade’s ending is phenomenal and there’s few Rider endings I prefer; and without it I’m really not sure how I’d feel about Blade. It’s absolutely one of those endings that really recontextualises everything you think and feel about these characters; and even knowing the twist going into it (for god’s sake, Blade’s ability on his legend rider progrise key is Joker!!!), it actually didn’t ruin anything. Oh, sure, the element of surprise is awesome; but how he got there was so much more important and really got me to tears. Kenzaki and Hajime... they’re always what I’ll take away from this show. It’s hard to say much more because Blade was my last Heisei Rider; my 20th, so a lot of my feelings on it are lost and muddled up in it being the finale of that long ride for me. It’s difficult to even recall more than absolute highlights (good and bad), but ultimately... I still really, really liked what I got; and I’m glad to see you got something similar. It's interesting to hear that Blade was your last Heisei Rider, since it seems like a random one to end on. Was it just a fluke? Or was it that you wanted to watch all the other ones first? Quote:
So this is the end. And it’s certainly been a ride.
I’ve enjoyed being able to do a regular feature for a change. And after doing it, I’ve decided that Garren’s cards are my favourites, due to how dumb some of the names are (Upper Frog? Rapid Pecker? Really?) Anyway, I probably wouldn’t rank Blade as in my top series, but I still class it above my low points (Kuuga, Ryuki and OOO). As for the next show, I’m about to finish that this Sunday and I’m not sure how much of it I’ll remember by the time you get round to it, but for now, I do have some pretty strong opinions on the show. And while Switchblade won’t be giving you any reason to watch the second half, I’ll be providing you with two reason to watch it. Glad to hear you've got thoughts on Hibiki! I'll try to be back with it before you've forgotten too much!
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09-04-2020, 12:47 PM | #913 |
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But yeah, I... guess my Rider journey was sort of similar to yours in how I started? I picked a series from phase 2 I was recommended and interested in (Fourze), loved it, then went back and watched W and everything onwards in order; alongside the currently airing series (which was Build, almost halfway through). After finishing I done Heisei 1 in a... sort of strange order? I done Kiva first because I’d heard bad things and I like seeing if I can find something in a show others don’t and BOY did that not go well! Only Toku I’ve ever truly hated. Then I went to Kabuto for the same reasons and... oops! Didn’t like that one either! Still, despite the bad impression I decided to go in order; and done Den-O and Decade. Then everyone told me that you should only watch Agito after Kuuga, so naturally, I watched Agito! After randomly choosing Hibiki next I just decided to do the remaining seasons in order. Kuuga, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade. Really interested to see what you think about Hibiki. You’re a very drama-invested viewer I think and that’s what you’ve loved most in Rider, though Hibiki is an extremely laid-back series that purposefully thrives on avoiding drama at every instance until the changeover to Inoue. I can honestly see you being one of the only people to like that second part, which should be interesting to read!
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09-04-2020, 01:15 PM | #914 |
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"Really Need Rider" is what's jumping out here, but that's probably saying more about me than anything.
I was also happy to see that "Way(!)" was as big as it is. Kenzaki would be so proud! Usually when you say at the end of one of these threads you're not sure if you did the best job, I think you're being way too hard on yourself. That's very much the case here -- you did great, as usual -- but I'm kind of understanding where you're coming from this time, because part of me feels I could've done a way better job with Blade? I had a ton of fun lecturing everyone on memes, but there were so many points where I realized I didn't have anything to say about episodes beyond that, and it was kinda freaking me out. Is this all Blade is to me? Just a bunch of dumb jokes and a really good ending? Did I just blow my entire load of enthusiasm on my first post? I love this show! Why don't I have anything else to contribute!? I'm not totally sure even now. Maybe Blade legitimately doesn't have that much going on under the surface. Maybe if it does, that's not really a problem. Or maybe a lot of us just happened to be a little too preoccupied with other things the past month and a half to contribute as much to the discussion, and none of this has anything to do with the show's quality and/or popularity. At any rate, returning back from my self-indulgent rant to the point I was originally making, I know it didn't have anything to do with you, Die, so as always, enjoy your break, and when you're feeling recharged, I look forward to what you have to say about Hibiki. That's a show I'm sure a lot of people will be happy to project their opinions onto you for, but I have my own theories about it based on how you felt about other shows so far. Could be really interesting! And who knows? Maybe I'll even have actual things to say about it.
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09-04-2020, 01:21 PM | #915 |
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For what it's worth, even if you're focused on primarily generating conversation, I really do enjoy just reading your thoughts on the episodes, whether I'm able to reply at the time or not. Obviously it's best when you can discuss it with others, but even if you just wrote these as a blog-style thing where there was no interaction at all I'd still read them. You have a lot of great insights on these shows that really help me find new things to appreciate about them!
I'd intended to be more active in this thread at first because I really like Blade, but I ended up having a lot of other things going on that prevented it until recently. Hopefully I can make time to be more present in the Hibiki one!
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09-04-2020, 01:51 PM | #916 |
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But yeah, I... guess my Rider journey was sort of similar to yours in how I started? I picked a series from phase 2 I was recommended and interested in (Fourze), loved it, then went back and watched W and everything onwards in order; alongside the currently airing series (which was Build, almost halfway through). After finishing I done Heisei 1 in a... sort of strange order? I done Kiva first because I’d heard bad things and I like seeing if I can find something in a show others don’t and BOY did that not go well! Only Toku I’ve ever truly hated. Then I went to Kabuto for the same reasons and... oops! Didn’t like that one either! Still, despite the bad impression I decided to go in order; and done Den-O and Decade. Then everyone told me that you should only watch Agito after Kuuga, so naturally, I watched Agito! After randomly choosing Hibiki next I just decided to do the remaining seasons in order. Kuuga, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade.
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Really interested to see what you think about Hibiki. You’re a very drama-invested viewer I think and that’s what you’ve loved most in Rider, though Hibiki is an extremely laid-back series that purposefully thrives on avoiding drama at every instance until the changeover to Inoue. I can honestly see you being one of the only people to like that second part, which should be interesting to read!
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"Really Need Rider" is what's jumping out here, but that's probably saying more about me than anything.
I was also happy to see that "Way(!)" was as big as it is. Kenzaki would be so proud! Usually when you say at the end of one of these threads you're not sure if you did the best job, I think you're being way too hard on yourself. That's very much the case here -- you did great, as usual -- but I'm kind of understanding where you're coming from this time, because part of me feels I could've done a way better job with Blade? I had a ton of fun lecturing everyone on memes, but there were so many points where I realized I didn't have anything to say about episodes beyond that, and it was kinda freaking me out. Is this all Blade is to me? Just a bunch of dumb jokes and a really good ending? Did I just blow my entire load of enthusiasm on my first post? I love this show! Why don't I have anything else to contribute!? I'm not totally sure even now. Maybe Blade legitimately doesn't have that much going on under the surface. Maybe if it does, that's not really a problem. Or maybe a lot of us just happened to be a little too preoccupied with other things the past month and a half to contribute as much to the discussion, and none of this has anything to do with the show's quality and/or popularity. At any rate, returning back from my self-indulgent rant to the point I was originally making, I know it didn't have anything to do with you, Die, so as always, enjoy your break, and when you're feeling recharged, I look forward to what you have to say about Hibiki. That's a show I'm sure a lot of people will be happy to project their opinions onto you for, but I have my own theories about it based on how you felt about other shows so far. Could be really interesting! And who knows? Maybe I'll even have actual things to say about it. Jokes! But I do take your point. The memes are what people remember 15 years later, not some random detail or scene. I don't think being excited about them, even to the exclusion of deeper analysis, is a problem. I think a big part of my feeling that there wasn't more discussion around certain parts of the series is that, frankly, they're not that memorable. If I watch an episode and immediately go to write it up, there are probably a half-dozen things I'll want to discuss from it. But if that same episode gets brought up even a week later, my feelings will be a lot more vague, and consist largely of Oh Yeah That Was Good. I cannot imagine how little I'd recall after a few years. (Most of my contribution to your Kuuga thread was the couple three things I absolutely loved or totally despised, by way of example.) It's no crime for folks to not have a list of comments or concerns for a random tokusatsu episode they watched somewhere over the last decade. And I don't... I really don't want this all to sound like I'm dwelling on how these threads go. I'm honestly not. They're fun! While I sometimes feel proud of one (Faiz!) or less proud of another (never going to feel like I did Ryuki justice!), it is not, like, an ongoing concern. I don't feel bad about any of them. It's just a little moment at the end of the experience where I can get a little reflective, a little analytical about the process. In the moments, I'm just thinking about Kamen Rider and talking with other fans about it. The top-down view, that shit is all kept in the immediate aftermath, the brief afterglow of finishing a series. It's pretty much the only time I feel clear to ask if folks are getting what they want out of these things. I'm glad know that they are! Quote:
For what it's worth, even if you're focused on primarily generating conversation, I really do enjoy just reading your thoughts on the episodes, whether I'm able to reply at the time or not. Obviously it's best when you can discuss it with others, but even if you just wrote these as a blog-style thing where there was no interaction at all I'd still read them. You have a lot of great insights on these shows that really help me find new things to appreciate about them!
I'd intended to be more active in this thread at first because I really like Blade, but I ended up having a lot of other things going on that prevented it until recently. Hopefully I can make time to be more present in the Hibiki one! And, yeah, I totally understand being less able to chime in With Everything That's Going On. That's... I honestly wondered if I should even ask people about their involvement, since I know how hard it can be to focus on stuff, or to lose yourself in fictional heroes. Even if it's just regular life getting in the way, it's completely reasonable to be on the boards a little less. It's nice when folks have the time, but I certainly wouldn't want people to feel guilty (or whatever) for not being around.
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09-04-2020, 02:22 PM | #917 |
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Now, 43. Oh I forgot something before, Kenzaki claims Mutsuki beat Spider Undead with his own power.... and ironically it's total opposite; Kenzaki just handed Mutsuki Blade King's sword!
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I guess I just don't see Mutsuki as blameless? The things he said and did, he meant all of them. The Spider Undead was a voice on his shoulder, not a puppeteer operating a puppet. It preyed on his feelings of insignificance, his need to feel special, his desire for strength. Having Shima and Tiger Queen on his side gave him some breathing room, enough to see that he wasn't the man he wanted to be, but he consciously made every decision up to that point.
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I thought this worked pretty well as an epilogue for Mutsuki’s redemption, but it still has its flaws. Very enjoyable, overall, though.
Crafting a story where Mutsuki wonders if he’s strong enough to fight as a Kamen Rider after all of his weakness, and making the dilemma that (by all appearances) Kenzaki and Tachibana have been poisoned by Titan and are being ruled by the urges of an Undead… I like that idea! It’s a little on the nose, but at least it’s clear what the stakes are, and why the story’s being told. This thing locked in for me fairly quickly. Quote:
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And, while I really like that the type of menace is different than Mutsuki’s story from last episode, the differences made it clear about halfway through that this isn’t a poisoning, it’s a switcheroo. Titan (presumably) is pretending to be Kenzaki or Blade or Tachibana or Garren, creating the kind of heroic misunderstanding that has Chalice and Leangle trying to almost murder their friends for their own good. (The big giveaway is the sound effect when Tachibana turns into Garren and attacks Hajime. It’s the goopy Undead noise, not the Henshin noise.) And I’m okay with it not being the same gimmick as the last story! That’s great!
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09-04-2020, 04:03 PM | #918 |
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...which he got a ton of help from Shima and Tiger Queen to do, but technically I don't think Kenzaki and Tachibana know that. Quote:
Well, not everything is opinionated, like for this one, canon plotting, no matter which headcannon, so gotta explain. Yes, Spider Undead was a voice on his shoulder, but, that's only one of his steps to fully take control of Mutsuki. It can directly take over Mutsuki's body, but its grip is too fragile to mantain in battle for extended periods of time. So he resorts to being the voice of his shoulder and slowly takes firmer grip on his body and mind. Spider Undead is a puppeteer operating a puppet, being a voice is one of his ways to do so, and finally succeeded after Mutsuki killed Shima (but Shima's sacrifice wasn't for naught). Mutsuki himself made it easier for Spider Undead controlling him as a puppet though, with his flaws like insecurities, though his feelings for Nozomi allows him to regain control at few occassions; preventing Spider Undead for harming her.
Ha ha, sure, maybe that's it! It doesn't take a lot to get me to think that Tachibana's a danger to himself and others!
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09-04-2020, 04:41 PM | #919 |
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So I actually got these guys back out last week, but I haven't had a chance to upload a good photo until now. We were in the heart of late series Blade so I found my old Kiwami Tamashii King Form and Wild Chalice. Felt like sharing since it seems like this line has long passed out of general awareness.
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09-04-2020, 04:47 PM | #920 |
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So I actually got these guys back out last week, but I haven't had a chance to upload a good photo until now. We were in the heart of late series Blade so I found my old Kiwami Tamashii King Form and Wild Chalice. Felt like sharing since it seems like this line has long passed out of general awareness.
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