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01-16-2020, 09:09 PM | #11 |
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Please be nice to Hikawa, he's much more sensitive than Ichijou... But alright! Agito! The first episode is fairly fresh in my mind even after all this time, what with the ending of Agito destroying the unknown and walking away from the flames at night as the first and best insert song in Kamen Rider plays.
I look forward to you unravelling all the ups and downs of this show. Its much closer to Kamen Rider as I know it today than Kuuga was. |
01-16-2020, 09:32 PM | #12 |
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I agree with some of that. Agito was the first Rider show I watched all the way through and it holds a very special place in my heart. But I still rank Hibiki as my favorite show from the era.
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01-16-2020, 09:43 PM | #13 |
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This is seriously, like, Heisei Kuuga, to the previous series' Showa Kuuga. There's a similarity to Wizard and Drive, while Kuuga felt like next to nothing of the Heisei shows were in it. It's also bravely asking the question "What if Kuuga, but not morose?"
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01-16-2020, 10:09 PM | #14 |
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Yeah, Agito absolutely benefits from the experience a lot of the staff had from working on Kuuga. That show was made with a whole bunch of new equipment and different style of ADR and all these other things that they had clearly gotten the hang of by the end, which left Agito in a position to improve even further. I also think you're going to find, at least in this show, that Toshiki Inoue's style of writing will be extremely refreshing given your issues with Kuuga. Inoue (who wrote all but one episode of Agito, if you're ever wondering) doesn't write reenactments. He makes TV dramas, and it kind of sounds like you're in the mood for one of those right now.
Agito has always the been the show I kinda consider the "real" start of Heisei Kamen Rider. Kuuga was an at-times borderline auteur series that I don't think truly fits in with anything before or after. Agito is where a lot of the "language" that's still in use today came from. Multiple Riders who act as foils to each other to increase the drama being an obvious example.
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01-16-2020, 10:14 PM | #15 |
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MASKED RIDER AGITO EPISODE 04
It's fun to me how much more normal everybody feels in Agito, compared to Kuuga. I mean, killer monsters and henshins and mysterious amnesias, yes, of course, sure. But, like, I get why people make the decisions they do in this show. Shouichi doesn't understand his abilities, doesn't know why he's Agito, so when Mana runs off in shock, he doesn't know how to explain himself to make her feel safe and he runs away. I get that. I get how he'd feel ashamed of scaring someone who looked up to him. And Mana was shocked, but she wasn't terrified. She feels bad about making Shouichi ashamed, so when she sees him again she talks it all out. (He just... came home? To make sure she looked after his garden? It's stupid, but sort-of adorable, which: Shouichi, I guess.) It's a reasonable way to handle this obstacle. It doesn't drag it out, it doesn't wallow in melodrama, it's just, I'm Sorry I Made You Feel Bad. That's all it needs! Shouichi running away ("running away”, he's a grown-ass man!) and then coming home one scene later could feel unnecessary, but it's given just the right amount of gravity to land, but not so much where it seems overblown. A realistic amount of stakes, which is very much a part of the overall course correction from Kuuga that's working for me. The G3 stuff is working, too! I thought the G3 system was a bit of a joke in the first three episodes, getting whooped early and often by, like, Starter Unknown. While the idea of a police solution to monsters is a good one, the G3 execution so far felt like... do you remember when the Captain in Drive got to be a Kamen Rider, for the mass-production attempt at Mach? And he immediately hurts himself? That's what the first few G3 outings felt like, except not played for laughs. But the team rallies, or whatever, and Nijou takes out an Unknown more or less all by himself. It, honestly, it worked really well for me. It felt earned. It felt like a hard-fought victory. After a few episodes of looking inadequate, G3 saved lives and blew up a monster. Shows improvement! I'd almost be okay with G3 continuing to suck, because, Houjou. Houjou. Hilarious! Dude exists purely to tell Nijou he sucks. That's it! Hangs around outside a meeting to tell him he sucks and that he's a liar. Tells the brass to support the G3 System so he can tell him he sucks at being G3 and that he's going to let people down. Every time the Unknown kill someone, it's because Nijou sucks. Like, this dude is living his best life telling Nijou he sucks. It's not supposed to be funny, it's supposed to be the pressure on Nijou's neck to shape up or quit, the rivalry forging him into a better G3, but, seriously, eff that. EFF THAT. It's a beautiful, catty, gloriously mean-spirited version of a professional rivalry, and I almost wish it was the whole show. I wish I cared as much about Shouichi as I do about Nijou failing and Houjou rubbing his nose in it, and I care about Shouichi.
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01-16-2020, 10:20 PM | #16 |
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Yeah, Agito absolutely benefits from the experience a lot of the staff had from working on Kuuga. That show was made with a whole bunch of new equipment and different style of ADR and all these other things that they had clearly gotten the hang of by the end, which left Agito in a position to improve even further.
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01-16-2020, 10:59 PM | #17 |
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The G3 stuff is working, too! I thought the G3 system was a bit of a joke in the first three episodes, getting whooped early and often by, like, Starter Unknown. While the idea of a police solution to monsters is a good one, the G3 execution so far felt like… do you remember when the Captain in Drive got to be a Kamen Rider, for the mass-production attempt at Mach? And he immediately hurts himself? That’s what the first few G3 outings felt like, except not played for laughs. But the team rallies, or whatever, and Nijou takes out an Unknown more or less all by himself. It, honestly, it worked really well for me. It felt earned. It felt like a hard-fought victory. After a few episodes of looking inadequate, G3 saved lives and blew up a monster. Shows improvement!
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I’d almost be okay with G3 continuing to suck, because, Houjou. Houjou. Hilarious! Dude exists purely to tell Nijou he sucks. That’s it! Hangs around outside a meeting to tell him he sucks and that he’s a liar. Tells the brass to support the G3 System so he can tell him he sucks at being G3 and that he’s going to let people down. Every time the Unknown kill someone, it’s because Nijou sucks. Like, this dude is living his best life telling Nijou he sucks. It’s not supposed to be funny, it’s supposed to be the pressure on Nijou’s neck to shape up or quit, the rivalry forging him into a better G3, but, seriously, eff that. EFF THAT. It’s a beautiful, catty, gloriously mean-spirited version of a professional rivalry, and I almost wish it was the whole show. I wish I cared as much about Shouichi as I do about Nijou failing and Houjou rubbing his nose in it, and I care about Shouichi.
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01-16-2020, 11:13 PM | #18 |
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That's one of the things that's pretty consistent about G3: it's a suit that was designed to fight a specific class of monsters and the ones it's actually fighting are way stronger. It's like Hikawa bought all the best gear from the starting town shops and is taking it into the final dungeon. He's badly outclassed but the fact that he never lets that stop him is a big part of why he's so great.
Obviously, that's for all of the police characters than for Agito (dude knows his way around a Rider Kick), but since the majority of the POV is from non-Agito characters, it really sets a tone for the show.
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01-16-2020, 11:22 PM | #19 |
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For me it would be either Blade or Den-O because Blade started not so great but got better and made its way up to the top in the end. Den-O is overall great because it had a different tone and look compared to the first 6 that came before it. And Plat Form is the best.
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01-16-2020, 11:33 PM | #20 |
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