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10-27-2018, 11:19 PM | #1 |
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Who's started the superhero genre ?
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10-27-2018, 11:29 PM | #2 |
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Gilgamesh, Heracles/Hercules and Sampson come to mind.
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10-28-2018, 12:51 AM | #3 |
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Me. I did.
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10-28-2018, 01:24 AM | #4 |
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^ no i did.
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10-28-2018, 01:59 AM | #5 |
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Depends what you mean.
If you mean the first heroes in tights, masked vigilantes, or heroes with abilities above those of normal men. Because they all vary. Characters with non-human abilities are as old as time, dating back to some of the earliest myths and legends and folk stories, every culture has them with various folk heroes and other myths that stretch to even the modern variations of occult urban myths. If you mean masked vigilantes, they go back pretty far too. In literature at least you have a wide range of various types and what inspired them. From the Scarlet Pimpernel to Zorro and where his origins came from in a folk anti-hero, and many other variations of that as well scattered through out old literature. Pulp fiction heroes were a kind of literature staple through some centuries and are what gave rise to later heroes like Batman and similar. If you mean heroes in tights of the comic world, then you're talking roughly the 20s and 30s in the US. With some of the earliest comic book heroes like the Phantom, and similar. In Japan it traces back in media from to roughly the 60s. Astroboy, and later Cyborg 009 which is considered the first "superhero" team there. Where they transitioned from characters of legend and folk heroes to the actual trope of superheroes. So it really depends on how define "Superhero". And even the genre itself evolved from other pulp fiction origins, which those themselves evolved from various folk heroes and concerns of the time. Like how even Ultraman evolved from Japanese fears of occupation because of American Military bases, which carried over to his overtones of an extra terrestrial authority figure that was keeping the monsters at bay, with questions of "friend or foe" etc. Same as how Godzilla evolved from the fear and grief of Atom Bombs. Nothing is born in a vacuum. Last edited by Librarian; 10-28-2018 at 02:03 AM.. |
10-28-2018, 12:58 PM | #6 |
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Superman codified and popularized most of the major superhero tropes, but elements of it could be found in a lot of other stories.
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10-28-2018, 04:28 PM | #7 |
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What if had a third major comic book company founded the begin of 1930's ?
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10-28-2018, 05:33 PM | #8 |
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In many cases, they also absorbed several of the others. That's how they evolved into the companies we know now. There have been other pushes to bring some older ones back over the years too. Like how Awesome Comics got "Fighting American" before they essentially became half owned by DC, and how other characters had attempted resurgences in the 70s and 80s. How Dynamite has Green Hornet and Kato now. Many of the properties survived into the modern day scattered to new companies from where they started. This might help you better if you want research on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superhero_debuts And then you may want to look up the history of Marvel and DC. How they absorbed different heroes and different labels. Quote:
Superman is more a combination of those capes and tights tropes, basic hero formulas and then Hugo Hercules, with a slight "Moses" style backstory of someone with great power/potential sent away from their home as a baby. As the story goes, superman was almost a villain instead, as his "over powered" nature made him a character publishers initially thought would make a better contrast for a hero to overcome. Much of what was superman is predated by Ogon Bat/The Golden Bat over in Japan. Which is considered one of the earliest if not the first "Comic book Superhero". As most before it were musicals, stage plays, radio plays, books, or news paper comic strips. Last edited by Librarian; 10-28-2018 at 06:25 PM.. |
10-28-2018, 07:52 PM | #9 |
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Like how even Ultraman evolved from Japanese fears of occupation because of American Military bases, which carried over to his overtones of an extra terrestrial authority figure that was keeping the monsters at bay, with questions of "friend or foe" etc. Same as how Godzilla evolved from the fear and grief of Atom Bombs.
Nothing is born in a vacuum. Guess this link was right all along: http://tokusatsunetwork.com/2018/06/...aman-globally/ Quote:
Superman is more a combination of those capes and tights tropes, basic hero formulas and then Hugo Hercules, with a slight "Moses" style backstory of someone with great power/potential sent away from their home as a baby.
As the story goes, superman was almost a villain instead, as his "over powered" nature made him a character publishers initially thought would make a better contrast for a hero to overcome. Much of what was superman is predated by Ogon Bat/The Golden Bat over in Japan. Which is considered one of the earliest if not the first "Comic book Superhero". As most before it were musicals, stage plays, radio plays, books, or news paper comic strips. Superman as a villain? Haven't some stories touched on that idea, or at least an interpretation of that idea? |
10-28-2018, 08:34 PM | #10 |
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