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12-26-2016, 10:09 AM | #11 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
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Personally, I can't take giant monsters all too seriously, and KR give me Nice drama
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12-26-2016, 10:11 AM | #12 |
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I guess its takes a bit of getting used to the whole "Spandex clad warrior fighting a rubber suited monster" idea. I've know about Ultraman for ages but I've only really started watching it recently. While Giant battles are nice every once in a while , I prefer most of the fights to be normal sized. I did like how Hibiki handled large monsters though and would like to see something like that handled a bit more often, though I doubt it will.
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12-26-2016, 10:24 AM | #13 |
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I definitely think it's that (at least online fans) aren't huge fans of the battles. I've got a couple of friends who are really into Ultraman now but had the hardest time getting into it because it felt less like the stuff you see in Sentai and Rider and more like wrestling. Personally, I enjoy them all. Ultraman stories tend to be a notch above Sentai when they get dramatic and can touch on some pretty real issues Sentai won't always give the most weight.
But human sized monsters are just fine? |
12-26-2016, 10:34 AM | #14 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
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I'm not good at explaining, so bear with me
When both the monster and the Hero are giants in the city, it feels limited. Sure, the stakes are higher, but the scenery and fight scenes aren't as varied, for a comparison to KR, Genm deciding to kill a child last week and attempting to do so felt more threating to me than if a giant monster threw a building at Ultraman. In Gaim, Kouta's first fight had him having to flee to a construction site. It feels much less limited than giant fights
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12-26-2016, 10:45 AM | #15 |
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Eh, Ultraman fights on the moon, in cities, in the woods, in desserts... what Kamen Rider can't do since locations are limited Ultraman can do since miniature sets can be anything.
But you're right; most Ultraman fights do take place in a city. Still fun though. Why not give Ultraman Orb a chance? It has drama too and I think you would enjoy it. |
12-26-2016, 10:47 AM | #16 |
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I can sort of see that, but Ultraman definitely does have its change of scenery. You get city battles, yeah, but you also get sky battles and battles out in factories and in the wilderness. The best part of the city battles is that the cities are structured like real cities, so there's a great sense of scale and realism there.
Like, in Ultraman, a monster would never throw a building with the show treating it as nothing. The shows highlight how devastating the scale of the attacks are. This is something Ultraman Mebius actually had to learn after his first fight - he beat the monster but was also cartwheeling around the city and using buildings as shields, basically leaving the city in shambles. He does his heroic pose at the end and one of the characters confronts him, yelling "you didn't protect anything!". One of my favorite aspects about Ultraman is that things can feel threatening and the heroes don't always win. There's a really great line in one of the movies where the hero fails in saving someone and he feels bummed, goes to the older Ultraman characters for guidance, and they tell him "We're not gods. Sometimes we can't save people and they die." and to me that feels like it adds this very appreciated sense of realism to superhero battles. |
12-26-2016, 10:48 AM | #17 |
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Eh, Ultraman fights on the moon, in cities, in the woods, in desserts... what Kamen Rider can't do since locations are limited Ultraman can do since miniature sets can be anything.
But you're right; most Ultraman fights do take place in a city. Still fun though. Why not give Ultraman Orb a chance? It has drama too and I think you would enjoy it. Isn't Orb an anniversary thing like Decade/Gokaiger? I assumed it wouldn't be a good storting point
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12-26-2016, 10:50 AM | #18 |
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It has references to other Ultramen as in Orb has forms based on their powers, but its no more than "Here is a past Ultraman".
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12-26-2016, 10:55 AM | #19 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
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...welp there goes my assumption making me an ass and chump while everyone shuns me
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12-26-2016, 12:01 PM | #20 |
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I've really become a big Ultra fan in the last few years. I like how it tends to be more of a serious science fiction action show than the frequently much sillier kid-focused franchises Toei has. The slower, more wrestling-based kaiju fights took me a little while to get used to, but I generally like them a lot now - I think they're far better than anything Super Sentai does with their similarly scaled mech battles, primarily because the actors such a greater range of mobility in their suits than the poor bastard buried in the increasingly massive mech boxes.
I think Ultraman has just had some bad luck with the Western tokusatsu fandom since the majority of this scene grew in the late '00s/early '10s, which was a period where the Ultra series really wasn't doing much besides retrospectives and the Zero movies. There was the better part of a decade between Mebius and Ginga and it really didn't help that there weren't many fansubs available. Before Crunchyroll came along the only post-2000 Ultraman shows available with subs were Nexus, Ultraseven X (neither of which are conventional series), and Mebius, with a little over half of Max done, too. There was a little bit of older material out there, but anything pre-2000 has a much harder time finding an audience, even with subs. I think that Ultraman would be a lot bigger with the online fandom (like having its own board here, for example) if it had been more consistently active and available in the last couple decades. |
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