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04-17-2015, 05:07 PM | #91 |
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A child can be influenced by their environment, but that doesn't mean their surroundings determine who they are and what they are interested in. And a positive initial reception doesn't mean much when met with a far more lukewarm reception upon viewing the actual character. People were excited for Korra upon reveal, proving that yes, boys are, in fact, willing to accept a female protagonist in a show made for a male audience. But with waning interest right out of the gate, what does it say about her?
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04-17-2015, 05:13 PM | #92 |
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And I'm telling you, as someone who has worked with kids and looked into child psychology: No, they are really not.
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No, it's not.
A child can be influenced by their environment, but that doesn't mean their surroundings determine who they are and what they are interested in. [...] After all, we're talking about a franchise originating from a country infamous for it's desire for rebelling against the system, for it's want to change the norm. However, when it comes to fantasy mediums, kids will always be kids. When you present a viking man and an amazon woman to a little boy, they'd be more likely to gravitate towards the male, not because of the system, but because they can see more of themselves in the character they share the gender with. They can simply just identify easier. I am well aware in the toy marketing reality, those are simply not the risks people want to take, when it does admittedly require asking for Toei to do more than they have (even if that reason is as simple as "women are not from Venus"). Quote:
And a positive initial reception doesn't mean much when met with a far more lukewarm reception upon viewing the actual character. People were excited for Korra upon reveal, proving that yes, boys are, in fact, willing to accept a female protagonist in a show made for a male audience. But with waning interest right out of the gate, what does it say about her?
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04-17-2015, 05:13 PM | #93 |
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Well, why are you taking how Korra did afterwards away? The show clearly did not identify with as many girls or boys. The "system" may be "broken" but that is how the world is. The people who do these things want have the best possible toy sales, not to try and change a generation. The world has in the past few hundred years been accepting women into society, but there will always be the argument about things being boy things for kids. One of those is superheroes, which Rider falls under, and less boys are willing to go for a female lead than a male lead.
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04-17-2015, 05:20 PM | #94 |
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The "system" may be "broken" but that is how the world is. The people who do these things want have the best possible toy sales, not to try and change a generation. The world has in the past few hundred years been accepting women into society, but there will always be the argument about things being boy things for kids. One of those is superheroes, which Rider falls under, and less boys are willing to go for a female lead than a male lead.
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04-17-2015, 05:24 PM | #95 |
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there not really anything to point to in the first place.
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04-17-2015, 06:52 PM | #96 |
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My thing here is that why wouldn't they try to make the toys appeals to both genders? Why only get one side's money?
The fun & gotta-catch-em-all mentality of rider gimmicks would not drop to such a low degree that they go out of business. At worst they'll probably end up like Fourze, as far as recent memory goes. And even if it does get lower I doubt they'll end up going bankrupt. They'll just get lower-than-desired income because of the monstrous cycle they've helped created & breed. And no; no business ever wants lower-than-desired income. Ever. They don't want that yet were dumb enough to not give Go-Busters a collectible gimmick or plethora of auxiliary mecha, which resulted in lower revenue that year as far as Sentai sales tend to go. And that was just due to their own stupidity of making less than their average amount of merchandise. Make a toy line that's very addicting like Gaim's or Kyoryuger's & put in a female main character. That'll at least soften the inevitable girl-drives-away-boys'/boys'-parents'-money blow. Not to mention the fact that Rider has a much wider age range in their audience than Sentai does in Japan. S.H. Figuarts are proof of that. With a bigger audience than Sentai, plus the fact that Rider tends to make more money than Sentai anyway, Rider is the better option to attempt having a female main character since any loss in sales won't be nearly as damaging as it would be to their other franchises. |
04-17-2015, 07:46 PM | #97 |
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04-17-2015, 09:39 PM | #98 |
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And just because more girls don't like action series like boys do doesn't mean the boys should be the only ones that are catered to. If 70% of sales for a show's merchandise came from boys why do companies feel the need to thrive off of only that 70%? They're ignoring the other 30% that bothered to give them their attention, time & money without being even considered by the company. So while it is extremely difficult to make the "perfect" 50-50 split for media & it's demographics, that shouldn't be what the goal is. If you ended up receiving 100% viewership & sales from just one kind of group & that one kind of group only then it makes sense that you focus on that one group because that's all you have. But that's not how fan bases & audiences work. Percentages don't mean anything. So more girls like this type of movie than boys do. So what? A small percentage of boys still saw them. They willingly gave the movies support without having to be thought of. So if these companies stopped trying appeal to the majority like it's some kinda voting system then they could potentially have extra sales. Don't segment potential audiences that could care about your product just because they don't take up the majority of the pie chart. The fact that they're even on the pie chart is something you should be embracing & trying to make a profit out of. |
04-17-2015, 10:03 PM | #99 |
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They don't have a 40 year legacy of expectations to meet. I'm not saying it's not a viable tactic to try to market to both gender groups, but the primary difference is that, as a franchise, attempting to do so would be a major shift in how it operates. Here's an example. Look at the full title of the brony documentary. "Bronies: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony" It's not quite the same scenario, but it'll suffice for the comparison. MLP holds a stigma of being for adolescent girls, and when the newest series was announced, it still held that stigma. Friendship is Magic was created not to intentionally attract fans of all genders and ages, but merely to appeal to them at some level (Primarily so that fathers watching with their daughters wouldn't want to chew their own faces off). However, even the most die hard of fans *Cough* can admit that, ultimately, the series still targets the primary audience of adolescent girls, still being a series fueled by toy sales. My Little Pony and Kamen Rider are both decades old franchises, and they actually do the same thing in aiming at the market that will net the most sales. However, FIM's attraction to alternate audiences wasn't an attempt to draw them in and get their money. It was just a unforeseen incident, and even with that, they still put most of their efforts in the toys that appeal to the younger fans, rather than boys and older collectors. Kamen Rider intentionally trying to get the little girl market wouldn't necessarily be successful, and would just as well run the risk of alienating their main market, ending in a major collapse. It's just not worth the risk for a small chunk of the market.
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04-17-2015, 11:28 PM | #100 |
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That's all true. But whether periphery demographics are done on purpose or by accident doesn't matter. What matters is they exist & that they're there now. Tossing them a bone once in a blue doesn't seem like asking for much. It won't reformat the entire franchise.
Damage-taking moves would be like what Digimon did with Frontier. They've never been able to recover from that because they shook up their concept to the point where the show & toys were borderline unrecognizable. Having a main character of a different gender than the norm won't leave that kind of mark on Kamen Rider, it'll just be different. It'll most likely be, as I said before, more akin to Go-Busters' sales at worst. Not to mention that change can't ever occur if people keep holding on to these silly ideas of "legacy" & "tradition" for a franchise. They can be successful for years & stick around for however many decades they want. But at some point they're gonna run their wells dry & fans will take notice. I don't want that to happen to franchises I like, especially not Kamen Rider. |
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