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05-29-2017, 02:18 PM | #14571 |
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I thought this WAS actually brought up? I distinctly remember Kiba mentioning something about the complete lack of impulse control Orphenochs have, especially when first "born" was the reason he was so unstable at first and killed his ex.
There's plenty of OTHER aspects of the show that aren't justifaizable though. The thing that kinda diminishes that aspect is that, more or less, all of the victims of Kiba's group were awful human beings. Not to say any of those people deserve it, but as an audience member, it's hard to feel sorry for them. It looks less like "Kiba is really starting to lose it" and more like "Hell yeah, Kiba! Kill that asshole!" Even when he pulls a face-heel turn, his most notable kill is Kusaka, who is an absolutely horrible human being who was pretty much asking for it.
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05-29-2017, 03:19 PM | #14572 |
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Could be the case. I haven't seen Faiz in a while.
The thing that kinda diminishes that aspect is that, more or less, all of the victims of Kiba's group were awful human beings. Not to say any of those people deserve it, but as an audience member, it's hard to feel sorry for them. It looks less like "Kiba is really starting to lose it" and more like "Hell yeah, Kiba! Kill that asshole!" Even when he pulls a face-heel turn, his most notable kill is Kusaka, who is an absolutely horrible human being who was pretty much asking for it. |
05-29-2017, 04:53 PM | #14573 |
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Also, as far as the making sense goes...Takumi being an Orphnoch is something they were hinting at throughout the entire show. The belts were always meant to be used by Orphnochs for Orphnochs, and throughout the many users of the Faiz Gear, the clear distinction between the characters that could transform and those that could not is whether they were Orphnoch or not. Kusaka is an exception, but he was always a unique case.
Other than that, I think MaskedRiderAsakura has it right. Takumi is seen throughout the show as someone who has absolutely no confidence in himself or his strength of character. He's scared of what he is, and says as much when he's discussing his past with Kiba. Specifically he addresses how the last time he transformed into an Orphnoch he blacked out, and has no idea what he may have done (the incident at the reunion, which we later learn wasn't him doing anything bad but nobody really knew). He fought as Faiz in order to deny that part of himself. Personally I thought it was a well-done twist, but that's just me. |
05-30-2017, 12:58 AM | #14574 |
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They absolutely did not hint at it, in any way. Him being able to use the gear is irrelevant to this question as many humans use the gear without problems as well.
If they really did hint at it they would've had him ask questions in a different way. He wouldn't ask if an Orphenoch could be good in general, he would ask if this particular one is worth trusting since he knows in the back of his head that there's at least one Orphenoch that isn't going around murdering people all the time. This may just be me applying real life logic to something dumb again, but holy shit. So no, this still isn't making any sense to me as they had to reveal it in such a manner that previous plot points were irrelevant for it to be a surprise, and that's just stupid. God I can't wait until I'm done with this trainwreck of a show, I hate it so much. |
05-30-2017, 01:16 AM | #14575 |
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Like, I'm not saying Faiz isn't dumb, because it can be, but I don't think is as out of nowhere as you think. |
05-30-2017, 01:26 AM | #14576 |
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Also, Kusaka used the Faiz gear no problem, and from what I know he is still human. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they have something lined up there as well. Since there's an actual hint for that one, Sawada said he's a failure of some kind. Was it? I don't remember the mystery of Takumi being able to use the Faiz gear ever being more than a throwaway line. Maybe I just forgot though, I took a long break from this show for obvious reasons. |
05-30-2017, 01:54 AM | #14577 |
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When the Kaixa Gear comes around, we are immediately introduced to its ability to disintegrate its users, so right off the bat we know the rules it's playing by are different, but even before that, there were already clues. Quote:
Also, Kusaka used the Faiz gear no problem, and from what I know he is still human. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they have something lined up there as well. Since there's an actual hint for that one, Sawada said he's a failure of some kind.
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Was it? I don't remember the mystery of Takumi being able to use the Faiz gear ever being more than a throwaway line. Maybe I just forgot though, I took a long break from this show for obvious reasons.
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05-30-2017, 01:53 PM | #14578 |
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Straying away from all the 555 talk, I just got done with Drive. I felt it was very similar to my opinion of OOO.
The first half was boring but each respective spring movie was painful. The second half is when it really began to shine like OOO did for me. Going on with the comparisons I can sum up both as so: When it's good, it's great! But when it's bad it's terrible. Drive I will say is most certainly a back to basics KR season. The producers probably thought Gaim was too radical a change and just in case it ended up doing subpar all around they'd have a "safe" season to air the next year. It doesn't feel like it took very many chances until the second half and felt very run of the mill. I will say though, Drive's biggest strength is definitely the 4 main characters. Shinnosuke, Go, Kiriko, and Chase. Hell, even Heart, Medic, and Brain really grew on me. I absolutely loved Brain's death and his little arc before he died. Medic treated him like crap and yet he couldn't help but feel sorry for her when she was "brainwashed". Then he took the death blow for Heart, Medic, and the Riders. A bit off topic too, I'm not the only one who saw his character and thought "This is basically if Jonoichi from Gaim was a full fledged bad guy." Go and Chase had an interesting relationship in the second half once Chase became a Kamen Rider again. With the way Go treated Chase, I could see the ending to the arc coming from a mile away. But goddamn it was still sad as hell when Chase sacrificed himself for Go. That made me get watery eyed. The second the 000 disappeared onscreen... whoo, that was tear jerking. Overall it was an okay season. It's definitely my least favorite Neo-Heisei season but that's not to say it was bad. It has it's strengths and it's fanbase so I'm for what it's worth, I'm glad it existed. I just wish the first 1/2 was better handled. Now onto Ghost... man, with Neo-Heisei KR it seems like unless you're W, OOO, or Gaim it's generally a season with a mixed or polarizing reaction from what I've seen. Decade was mixed, Fourze was polarizing, Wizard was mixed, and Drive was polarizing. Ghost is probably the in the mixed to meh category since I've yet to see anyone claim it's their favorite season. I'm afraid guys. 😂
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05-30-2017, 03:59 PM | #14579 |
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Man Kiwami, if even Faiz's better handled elements make you this angry, you should probably do yourself a favor and never watch Kiva. Or better yet, DO watch it. That way I'll get the satisfaction of seeing you have no choice but to admit Ghost isn't the worst Rider show.
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Of course, I'm still arguing with myself whether or not Wizard still deserves that title, so clearly I have terrible taste.
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05-30-2017, 05:30 PM | #14580 |
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Haven't watched all of Ghost but, in the same ten episode length, Kiva already had me chewing my knuckles so... Ghost will have to really plum the depths to match Kiva's lows.
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