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06-17-2017, 12:54 AM | #14651 |
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Honestly, if they actually lost their direction for Ghost, they could have just used the plot from the summer movie about Argos. I already read so many posts regarding about how Argos fits better as a villain in the series rather than Adel. I have read a post from Fish that Adel is anti-thesis for Takeru, but for me, Argos is even more an anti-thesis toward Takeru. Regarding the summer movie, I actually pretty enjoyed it and I really wish that they should have just used some of the plots to the series and I bet it will be more compelling. Even Gaim's summer movie wasn't as good as Ghost's, to be honest.
I really want for a good Rider series than a good summer movie, instead. Take a look at Gaim. Its summer movie was terrible and full of plot holes but the show is great. For Ghost, the movie is pretty enjoyable but the series went out of direction. Still, I really hope if they can do both. Really, are there any competent writers that could make a decent series and a decent summer movie other than Riku Sanjo? Both W and the A to Z movie aren't that bad and even so much enjoyable. Drive even has a more awesome summer movie while still (barely) connected to the series. I have a feeling that Takuro Fukuda actually just planned to write for about half of the series. Really, just watch the climax of Alain's arc. It feels like an ending for a series and it should have stopped right there. But then, Toei said: "No, you can't end it here. We still have more toys to promote and there are 15-ish episodes left." Man, I felt that if this is the case, Toei really burns out Fukuda to the edge of the seat. Still, maybe because the sub for Specter Rebirth isn't out yet, not many people has watched it, huh? Well, I watched the RAW for the movie but I still can understand most of the dialogues there. And man... If there is one single Ghost movie that is worth to watch, it must be this. I don't care if you hate or like Ghost, but Specter Rebirth movie is one of the best Kamen Rider V-Cinema. I'm even surprised that this is even better than Gaim's V-Cinema combined. Well, really, just watch it, guys. Even if it still on RAW.
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06-17-2017, 02:03 AM | #14652 |
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'tis over. I have now watched all 40 episodes of Saban's Masked Rider.
Frankly, looking back, I struggle to even call it a bad show. On some level, I really wish it was the horrible, awful show I half expected it to be, because at least that may have been entertaining or interesting in some respects. In reality, it's just about the most painfully bland and forgettable 90's kid-oriented sitcom imaginable, occasionally sloppily interspersed with some shit about aliens and bugs. There just isn't much to say about it. It really isn't a show worth wasting precious moments of one's life on. But I guess I did. Though, full disclosure, I cheated, because I watched everything from around episode 17 forward at at least x2 speed, because...I mean, why spend any more time on it than necessary. It was still perfectly comprehensible, and no less boring. Even Ferbus is just kinda there. He sucks, but in the worst way imaginable, where it's not even worth getting worked up about or caring, just like the rest of the show. It's all just so trite. ... "I AM AMAZON" was pretty funny though. |
06-17-2017, 02:21 AM | #14653 |
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Just to add to the Ghost discussion, Post-Mugen is definitely the part when Ghost pacing starts to fall upon itself. It perphaps spent a bit too much time with its Votw side stories and while the show never forgot its ongoing plot, it ended creating so much build up and set up for them that the actual execution of those plot points leave a lot to be desired, the biggest case being the Demia Project. With that said though, I never actually minded the Votw stories.I liked the way they tried to integrate them with the ongoing plot which made them not feel totally pointless even though it did end up artificially lengthening it.
In fact, I think Ghost had some really good Votw stories. Most were paced well, I liked the messages and themes they presented, and I liked how they started to integrate them with the eyecons post-Boost, something which was greatly needed due to how hastily they were introduced in the first 10 episodes. Another thing I think Ghost did well was its set up. The show build up a lot of its events and was constantly teasing you with new questions and new information. Its part of the reason why I think that while Ex-Aid may have the overall better plot, Ghost I think was better at trying to keep you interested in its plot as I wanted to know what new stories were going to happen or what lingering questions were to get answered. While this did results in a number of its plot points falling flat due to how much build up they had, again look at the Demia Project, when the show executed them well, it really executed them well. The biggest example was probably Alain's redemption arc, which in opinion is Chase's redemption arc done right. The pacing of the overall plot however was a bit all over the place. The first 10 or so episodes was definitely too fast due to how quickly they introduced the eyecons and how they just skipped weeks in between episode in order to rush through the first 99 days. Post-Mugen had the opposite problem where the pacing was too slow, dragging out some of its plot points far longer than they needed to. The middle of the show was where the pacing was at its best, building its plot at a reasonable pace and ending them where they needed to. |
06-17-2017, 02:56 AM | #14654 |
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Just to add to the Ghost discussion, Post-Mugen is definitely the part when Ghost pacing starts to fall upon itself. It perphaps spent a bit too much time with its Votw side stories and while the show never forgot its ongoing plot, it ended creating so much build up and set up for them that the actual execution of those plot points leave a lot to be desired, the biggest case being the Demia Project. With that said though, I never actually minded the Votw stories.I liked the way they tried to integrate them with the ongoing plot which made them not feel totally pointless even though it did end up artificially lengthening it.
In fact, I think Ghost had some really good Votw stories. Most were paced well, I liked the messages and themes they presented, and I liked how they started to integrate them with the eyecons post-Boost, something which was greatly needed due to how hastily they were introduced in the first 10 episodes. Another thing I think Ghost did well was its set up. The show build up a lot of its events and was constantly teasing you with new questions and new information. Its part of the reason why I think that while Ex-Aid may have the overall better plot, Ghost I think was better at trying to keep you interested in its plot as I wanted to know what new stories were going to happen or what lingering questions were to get answered. While this did results in a number of its plot points falling flat due to how much build up they had, again look at the Demia Project, when the show executed them well, it really executed them well. The biggest example was probably Alain's redemption arc, which in opinion is Chase's redemption arc done right. The pacing of the overall plot however was a bit all over the place. The first 10 or so episodes was definitely too fast due to how quickly they introduced the eyecons and how they just skipped weeks in between episode in order to rush through the first 99 days. Post-Mugen had the opposite problem where the pacing was too slow, dragging out some of its plot points far longer than they needed to. The middle of the show was where the pacing was at its best, building its plot at a reasonable pace and ending them where they needed to. |
06-17-2017, 06:20 AM | #14655 |
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Just to add to the Ghost discussion, Post-Mugen is definitely the part when Ghost pacing starts to fall upon itself. It perphaps spent a bit too much time with its Votw side stories and while the show never forgot its ongoing plot, it ended creating so much build up and set up for them that the actual execution of those plot points leave a lot to be desired, the biggest case being the Demia Project. With that said though, I never actually minded the Votw stories.I liked the way they tried to integrate them with the ongoing plot which made them not feel totally pointless even though it did end up artificially lengthening it.
In fact, I think Ghost had some really good Votw stories. Most were paced well, I liked the messages and themes they presented, and I liked how they started to integrate them with the eyecons post-Boost, something which was greatly needed due to how hastily they were introduced in the first 10 episodes. Another thing I think Ghost did well was its set up. The show build up a lot of its events and was constantly teasing you with new questions and new information. Its part of the reason why I think that while Ex-Aid may have the overall better plot, Ghost I think was better at trying to keep you interested in its plot as I wanted to know what new stories were going to happen or what lingering questions were to get answered. While this did results in a number of its plot points falling flat due to how much build up they had, again look at the Demia Project, when the show executed them well, it really executed them well. The biggest example was probably Alain's redemption arc, which in opinion is Chase's redemption arc done right. The pacing of the overall plot however was a bit all over the place. The first 10 or so episodes was definitely too fast due to how quickly they introduced the eyecons and how they just skipped weeks in between episode in order to rush through the first 99 days. Post-Mugen had the opposite problem where the pacing was too slow, dragging out some of its plot points far longer than they needed to. The middle of the show was where the pacing was at its best, building its plot at a reasonable pace and ending them where they needed to. I really agree that Ghost was really strong during its Alain arc. Remember the time where people all hail for Ghost because of the badass Necrom or the great development of Alain. The pacing is great too and actually it's pretty compelling if you ask me. It shows that Ghost CAN be a good series but the writer lost the direction. I already said that there might be some meddling during the production. Though, I disagree that first arc of Ghost is too fast. The pacing felt so fast mainly because they need to advertise the toy. Really, if Ghost only had a main 4 or 5 forms, instead of 7 or 8 forms, you might realize that Ghost's pacing aren't that really bad in the first place. Still, I think that they should have made Boost's debut a bit later than that. Ghost's middle arc might will get you hooked up to watch it even more. But, Ex-Aid is by far more compelling and I felt more hooked up for the series. Both series' middle arc usually ended in a cliffhanger but I think Ex-Aid handles it better in several episodes. Let's just see, ever since a particular bike boy made a huge impact to the series, Ex-Aid has been so attractive and I felt more excited with how they will handle the plot. Compared to Gaim, let's say, Ex-Aid's plot is much fluid and it's pretty unpredictable. For Gaim, it's pretty unfortunate that because the series was written by Uro, many people has already predicted several plots and how the ending. Let's see, who already know how Ex-Aid will end? Also, while Alain is pretty similar to Chase, I don't really like to compare their development as a character. For Alain, his change of side was at the same with his development. For Chase, his development was way after he changed side. While Chase's change of heart was pretty awkward for some people, I think it's the only excuse for them to do it. Chase is a mechanical lifeform with implanted program. His change of side was because of said program and not because of a development. Alain is the otherwise. He can feel emotion but his mental instability and doubt really clouded his judgement. Because of that, Alain needed development first before the change of heart while Chase is the otherwise.
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06-17-2017, 07:31 AM | #14656 |
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Though, I disagree that first arc of Ghost is too fast. The pacing felt so fast mainly because they need to advertise the toy. Really, if Ghost only had a main 4 or 5 forms, instead of 7 or 8 forms, you might realize that Ghost's pacing aren't that really bad in the first place. Still, I think that they should have made Boost's debut a bit later than that.
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06-17-2017, 07:41 AM | #14657 |
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Perphaps I should rephrase that bit especially since this is something I realized in hindsight. While the pacing of the overall story was fine aside from skipping weeks between several episodes, it is really the introduction of Eyecons that kinda bothers me. Gaim, Drive and Ex-Aid did have a similar thing where they introduced new form after new form every week for the first 10 episodes. The difference is that the gimmicks in those series were a lot more throwaway. The Eyecons however had a lot more importance to the story and their very nature allows a lot of stories to be told with them, which the show did post-Boost. Thus in hindsight, their introductions feels a little lackluster due to how important they eventually became to the story, if that makes any sense.
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06-17-2017, 08:20 AM | #14658 |
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'tis over. I have now watched all 40 episodes of Saban's Masked Rider.
Frankly, looking back, I struggle to even call it a bad show. On some level, I really wish it was the horrible, awful show I half expected it to be, because at least that may have been entertaining or interesting in some respects. In reality, it's just about the most painfully bland and forgettable 90's kid-oriented sitcom imaginable, occasionally sloppily interspersed with some shit about aliens and bugs. There just isn't much to say about it. It really isn't a show worth wasting precious moments of one's life on. But I guess I did. Though, full disclosure, I cheated, because I watched everything from around episode 17 forward at at least x2 speed, because...I mean, why spend any more time on it than necessary. It was still perfectly comprehensible, and no less boring. Even Ferbus is just kinda there. He sucks, but in the worst way imaginable, where it's not even worth getting worked up about or caring, just like the rest of the show. It's all just so trite. ... "I AM AMAZON" was pretty funny though.
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06-17-2017, 10:25 AM | #14659 |
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'tis over. I have now watched all 40 episodes of Saban's Masked Rider.
Frankly, looking back, I struggle to even call it a bad show. On some level, I really wish it was the horrible, awful show I half expected it to be, because at least that may have been entertaining or interesting in some respects. In reality, it's just about the most painfully bland and forgettable 90's kid-oriented sitcom imaginable, occasionally sloppily interspersed with some shit about aliens and bugs. There just isn't much to say about it. It really isn't a show worth wasting precious moments of one's life on. But I guess I did. Though, full disclosure, I cheated, because I watched everything from around episode 17 forward at at least x2 speed, because...I mean, why spend any more time on it than necessary. It was still perfectly comprehensible, and no less boring. Even Ferbus is just kinda there. He sucks, but in the worst way imaginable, where it's not even worth getting worked up about or caring, just like the rest of the show. It's all just so trite. ... "I AM AMAZON" was pretty funny though. |
06-17-2017, 07:07 PM | #14660 |
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Finished Agito this afternoon. Overall it was a very fun, but very flawed show. I had a lot of thoughts on this one.
The characters were a mixed bag to me. Shouichi came across as someone who is very likable and entertaining, but not someone who really works too well as a protagonist. He just didn’t have much depth, and his whole personality was basically just “friendly buffoon.” I didn’t feel like he ever came into his own as a real character or protagonist until near the end, it took far too long for him to get any real development or growth. Having just watched Kuuga beforehand, I thought Godai was a far better lead Rider. I did like Shouichi, I just wish the development they started giving him near the end had come sooner. Hikawa was my favorite of the three Riders. I felt he had the most development and really made for a better lead character than Shouichi. Their scenes together were always enjoyable to watch, and he also had a great dynamic with Ozawa (Who was another of my favorites). It was frustrating at times though because I felt like the show would sometimes lean too hard into his hardheadedness when it was narratively convenient to do so. This is most glaring when everyone is trying to hide Agito’s identity from him, and even though they all basically give it away repeatedly and obviously, he doesn’t get it. Then there’s when he sees Another Agito and gets the mistaken impression he’s the real Agito. Even in shadow, Agito and Another Agito have very distinctive and obviously differing silhouettes, and considering how often Hikawa fought with Agito it’s entirely unbelievable he would ever confuse them. Ryou was…well, he existed, and that’s about all I can say about him. I just didn’t find him or his story interesting at all, especially considering how disconnected he is from the others for so much of it, and how much of his story is just a series of misfortunes to the point it becomes comical. I didn’t dislike him, I just really had no feelings towards him whatsoever. Then there’s Kino…this guy was, for me, the weakest part of the show. He shows up and dies too quick to care about him, and what content he does have is not handled great. He decides he has to be the only Agito and has to kill the others for…reasons. At no point does he ever express a coherent motive for this. Then he decides to stop trying to murder them, dies soon after, and is never mentioned again outside of one brief scene. His story had no impact on the overarching plot, and it feels like they just threw him and his arc in there because otherwise they were too close to the end of the story and needed to extend the show to meet the episode requirement. It’s a shame because I think underneath all of that he had a lot of potential, but it was badly squandered. The story itself was interesting, I liked the mystery surrounding Shouichi’s amnesia, the Akatsuki, the Lords, and the way it all ties together. The pacing was drastically improved over Kuuga, it’s never boring, but towards the end it does start falling apart. Besides my aforementioned issues with Kino, plot holes just start appearing everywhere. Just to give a couple of examples, there’s the thing with Hikawa’s vision that suddenly comes up, is briefly made a big deal, then suddenly goes away without explanation. There’s also the way it introduces Agito’s Shining Form…it’s his ultimate form, but in a stark contrast to other Rider series, it just randomly appears with no real build up and one of its main features (Gaining power from the sun) is never discussed or explained. And then the ending itself is pretty underwhelming. The Overlord has had his views challenged repeatedly by the real Shouichi, but shows no signs at all that it’s getting through to him. But then he suddenly gets Rider kicked by Shining Agito and just out of nowhere goes to the real Shouichi and tells him he’s stopping and is just going to watch humans now before deciding what to do. It feels rushed and not at all consistent with what’s happened in the story up to that point. The suit designs I thought were really great. All of the main Riders had very unique and distinctive looks, I really liked that variety. The Lords were great too, they’re some of my favorite monster designs in the franchise. I really liked the way they focused so much on their faces, the way they handled the eyes and mouths made them feel much more like living creatures than monster designs in any of the other Rider series I’ve seen. Ultimately, I enjoyed watching Agito. It was far from perfect, but I always looked forward to another episode, no matter how messy it got. I sound more critical of it than I really am, this stuff all stood out to me but didn’t majorly detract from my enjoyment of it. It was a lot of fun for just a relatively simple action show.
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