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04-28-2012, 09:10 PM | #11 |
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04-29-2012, 11:41 AM | #12 |
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Because the rangers destroyed the fleet, destroyed the emperor, released all of the powers, and then went on a new adventure. The ending was satisfying and complete.
Would you really wanted to see the rangers hijack each ship to destroy each ship? That would get boring. |
04-29-2012, 12:06 PM | #13 |
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04-29-2012, 08:39 PM | #14 |
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They destroyed the fleet with so little effort it was embarrassing. We saw so little of Ackdos that we never got a sense of how strong he was. Yes, he could hold his own against the Rangers during the one fight we ever saw him in, but because we never saw him handle a conflict earlier (And his own son wasn't much of a challenge), the final fight carried no weight. Maybe if Ackdos had taken action earlier and trounced the rangers in a fight like Basco did (Or had they made Walz a threat, to make his father's entrance all the more threatening), the victory would feel like something worth getting pumped about. They released the powers of the Ranger Keys. This leads to my biggest problem with the series. They began with all but like 10 of them. If we saw their adventure and search for the actual keys, their release would hold some weight. But because they didn't, they giving up the Ranger Keys didn't have any emotion at all. The ending was complete, but only because they didn't do anything throughout the series. Did I want to see them go through every ship and destroy them one by one? No. But that doesn't mean the ending wasn't pitiful. |
04-29-2012, 11:37 PM | #15 |
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How would you then have had them destroy the fleet?
That is because Ackdos is an emperor, not a fighter. It carried no weight because the rangers were not going to let him even have the chance to use his powers. I mean seriously. How many times do you want to see the rangers lose against the main villian and then have them get that final energy to defeat him? We know they are going to beat him, so why beat around the bush? Were you expecting them to keep the keys? They gathered the keys, got what they needed, and then gave them back. What more do you want? It's like you were setting yourself up to be disappointed no matter how it ended. Would you rather it had been like Goseiger where there was no final fight at all, they just had to stop drills from reaching the core? If you think they did nothing throughout the series, you need to either rewatch the series, or watch DekaRanger and Shinkenger. Nothing happened at all during those series. In fact, the villians had even less development in Shinkenger than Gokaiger. Barizorg had more development than the entire Shinkenger villian cast. |
04-30-2012, 11:12 AM | #16 |
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How would you then have had them destroy the fleet?
Something more clever than "Spin laser turrets in a circle, destroy the ENTIRE ARMADA." That is because Ackdos is an emperor, not a fighter. It carried no weight because the rangers were not going to let him even have the chance to use his powers. I mean seriously. How many times do you want to see the rangers lose against the main villian and then have them get that final energy to defeat him? We know they are going to beat him, so why beat around the bush? That last sentence makes me want to tell you to not even watch the series. "We know the heroes are gonna beat the bad guys. So why beat around the bush and watch the show in the first place?" Watching the hero beat the main villain isn't supposed to be just par for the course. It's supposed to be triumphant and glorious. Watching the Heroes lose isn't to just show the heroes lose. It's to show that the villain they're fighting isn't just another monster of the day. It's to show that the heroes don't always win. It's to show that maybe the heroes still have room to grow. I don't want to see the heroes lose just to lose. I want to see them lose so I can watch their growth as characters and heroes. What had happened in Gokaiger was just "Ackdos came down. 10 minutes left in the episode, so let's kill him." Compare that to Basco. He came down, lost to the rangers but revealed he had another plan. Fought them again and tied, teaming with the Zangyack. Returned again and thoroughly trounced them, defeated them again, almost holding a public execution, betrayed the Zangyack, took the Galleon and almost killed all the rangers. Watching him lose was so much more amazing because, up until that point, he's proven that he could walk through the rangers easily, only tactically retreating for one reason or another. Ackdos was a strong villain, but if they worked on him or Walz as much as they did for Basco, then his defeat would have been a lot greater. I understand that, as emperor, he shouldn't get his hands dirty. But as Walz showed, the title doesn't always go to the strongest, and it may just have been a birthright. Were you expecting them to keep the keys? They gathered the keys, got what they needed, and then gave them back. What more do you want? It's like you were setting yourself up to be disappointed no matter how it ended. Would you rather it had been like Goseiger where there was no final fight at all, they just had to stop drills from reaching the core? We did not see them get the keys. If the series worked on them getting the keys (Similar to Decade getting the other Rider Cards), then maybe they releasing the keys would've been a big emotional moment, making the series come full circle. Instead, since they began with all the powers, not only did we never see them comprehend the amount of power they had (They had established early on that they considered the Ranger Keys their treasure because they found them), but they just came off as jerks when it came to the keys (Like during the Hurricanger team up. Hurricangers: "We'll save your teammates and all the civilians if you give us our Ranger keys." Gokaigers: "No, you can borrow the keys to save our teammates, but we'll fight you to get them back because Marvelous-San found the keys, so they're Marvelous-San's keys.") I guess there was no way for me to be happy about this point because the series was more about fanwank then telling an actual story. Because them giving up the keys didn't feel like the end of a journey (Which is what it should have), and felt more like "It's about time they gave the other Rangers' their powers back." If you think they did nothing throughout the series, you need to either rewatch the series, or watch DekaRanger and Shinkenger. Nothing happened at all during those series. In fact, the villians had even less development in Shinkenger than Gokaiger. Barizorg had more development than the entire Shinkenger villian cast. I can't accurately compare the series because I haven't watched Deka or Shinkenger. But wasn't there a female Shinken-Red? Pretty sure that alone is means more happened in Shinkenger than all of Gokaiger But it's ending was on par with Double's in terms of terribleness and it doesn't quite deserve all the praise it gets. |
04-30-2012, 01:08 PM | #17 |
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The story itself was weak. For a pirate series, it didn't have the sense of adventure I was hoping. They talked on and on about their treasure, but that never amounted to much anything aside from the moments in the finale. I think it could've been much more interesting if they didn't begin with all but like 11 of the Ranger Keys and we actually saw the search for them.
I like Gokaiger, but I am not in love with it. The meka aspect is very weak, and the story seems to lack forward momentum. But I am typically entertained by it, so I can't criticize it too much.
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04-30-2012, 06:50 PM | #18 |
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An interesting point. I am watching Boukenger and am up to like episode 18 of Gokaiger, and I have to say that Boukenger definitely has the "sense of adventure" you refer to, while Gokaiger does not. A lot of the time (so far) on Gokaiger they seem to be waiting for something to happen, while on Boukenger they are actively pursuing new Precious and other objects.
I like Gokaiger, but I am not in love with it. The meka aspect is very weak, and the story seems to lack forward momentum. But I am typically entertained by it, so I can't criticize it too much.
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04-30-2012, 07:54 PM | #19 |
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If you're calling Basco's end the end of the series, I'll agree.
I don't see how the canon ending is anywhere near "Great" on the non-existent scale for endings. |
04-30-2012, 10:13 PM | #20 |
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I know the ending is decidedly mixed for some fans out there, and the Emperor was more like a glorified punching bag than a real threat in the finale. But I like the fact that Gokaiger rejected the Greatest Treasure to resolve the issue their way, and the way they went off on the Emperor with those Gokai Changes was simply spectacular. For a series that is ultimately about paying tribute to past sentai series, I think it ended appropriately and with alot of fireworks. I can still watch ep. 51 and be entertained by it even after watching it several times, because as far as Super Sentai goes, it couldn't get better than that visually.
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